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Zaperking

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« on: September 02, 2005, 10:45:04 am »
Well, Since I know there are alot of people who believe that Radical Dreamers is cannon, I want to figure something out.

Alrighty. We know that Radical Dreamers is another dimension. Schala was reincarnated by the Frozen Flame and is Kid.

Now, We know that Schala in CC used the last of her will and goodness to create Kid of that and somehow was sent out from the DBT.

This is just an idea, but is there any chance at all that there may be 2 Kids. Basically, we know nothing that may have happened in the original time line with Schala. Since RD states that Schala, as the Arbiter, mentally made a wish to get away from her guilt of being responsable for the downfall of Zeal, was granted reincarnation by the Frozen Flame. Since Kid arrives in 1001-1004AD, is there any possability of the FF doing this? Since the only time that Schala in the DBT (from the keystone timeline) could have sent Kid out would be like in 1006AD. Is there a possability that Kid A (Original Time line Reincarnate) was the Kid that saves Serge, and the Kid produced by Schala is Serge's partner.

I'm just trying to find a way to bond aspect from CT-RD-CC together. A part of everything on RD was canon. Just that some characters were changed ofcourse. You may think im stupid because Kid has Magil in RD, but ofcourse if this applies to CC, Kid never met Magil, and Grezenbul and Regonnia are just like prototype names of El Nido and Termina etc.

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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2005, 03:41:53 pm »
Pardon me if I'm getting off topic of this, but I always thought Kid and Harle were alternate versions of each other. (Their overall build and facial structure are strikingly similar. Also, when these two characters talk to the fortune teller in Termina, they get the very same fortune).

Kid was an envoy of Chronopolis and Humanity, while Harle was an envoy of Dinopolis and thus the Reptites, thus those two people were representative of the two races being at war with each other.

What have you to say about this? I hope this helps your discussion along.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2005, 04:45:33 pm »
One of the crono/marle/lucca people on the beach at the end says that at some point in the future Kid is supposed to go back in time to save Serge, so it's highly unlikely that she was referring to anyone different than the Kid we know
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2005, 10:19:09 pm »
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Pardon me if I'm getting off topic of this, but I always thought Kid and Harle were alternate versions of each other. (Their overall build and facial structure are strikingly similar. Also, when these two characters talk to the fortune teller in Termina, they get the very same fortune).

Kid was an envoy of Chronopolis and Humanity, while Harle was an envoy of Dinopolis and thus the Reptites, thus those two people were representative of the two races being at war with each other.

What have you to say about this? I hope this helps your discussion along.


Apparently, Harle's creation was mimiced off Schala. Since the Dragons and Schala were all fused to Lavos at that point, The Dragons may have used Schala's DNA to create Harle.

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One of the crono/marle/lucca people on the beach at the end says that at some point in the future Kid is supposed to go back in time to save Serge, so it's highly unlikely that she was referring to anyone different than the Kid we know


Well, I had always thought that there was a paradox with that. You see, because Kid was never saved by Serge, she never came to El Nido and stayed on Zenan. But when Serge saves Kid in that timeportal thanks to Masa & Mune, or the Chrono Cross, Kid decides to go to El Nido. Hence, If Kid never came to El Nido, and never met Belthasar, then someone else had to have saved Serge.

Anyway, my Schala theory is just an idea. Since we know nothing of what happened to Schala, and we still know she was the arbiter, she should have been able to do something. I mean, RD states the history that we missed out in CT. So basically, now we have the idea that in the original time line, Schala may have possibly used the Frozen Flame to turn herself into Kid.
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2005, 10:56:07 pm »
The Dragon God only exists as a projection of the Time Devourer.  Harle is an agent of the Time Devourer, not the original Dragon God or Reptites.  Since Schala is part of the Time Devourer, she probably factors into the equation somehow.  Harle doesn't really have anything to do with the Reptites and definitely is not on the side of the planet.
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2005, 11:57:26 pm »
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Well, I had always thought that there was a paradox with that. You see, because Kid was never saved by Serge, she never came to El Nido and stayed on Zenan. But when Serge saves Kid in that timeportal thanks to Masa & Mune, or the Chrono Cross, Kid decides to go to El Nido. Hence, If Kid never came to El Nido, and never met Belthasar, then someone else had to have saved Serge.


I've never thought about that, but Belthasar could've easily found her in Zenan...
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2005, 02:05:53 am »
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Pardon me if I'm getting off topic of this, but I always thought Kid and Harle were alternate versions of each other. (Their overall build and facial structure are strikingly similar. Also, when these two characters talk to the fortune teller in Termina, they get the very same fortune).

Kid was an envoy of Chronopolis and Humanity, while Harle was an envoy of Dinopolis and thus the Reptites, thus those two people were representative of the two races being at war with each other.


Apparently, Harle's creation was mimiced off Schala. Since the Dragons and Schala were all fused to Lavos at that point, The Dragons may have used Schala's DNA to create Harle.

WHOA! Schala, Lavos, and the Dragons all fused together at one time?!

I always thought there were two Time Devourers; the one that Schala assimilated with and is more or less Lavos, and the other that's made of the 6 Dragon Gods?
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2005, 03:29:43 am »
Could it be that CC is in fact the prequal to RD? Maybe what we see in RD is simply the joined dimensions? And that's why some things are so different looking? Maybe? Maybe not...
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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2005, 06:24:32 am »
Possibly. RD may be like 1011 without any of that shit happening.

Anyway, @ Zenning:
The Dragon God's were devoured by Lavos when FATE sealed them with the Frozen Flame. The only thing left of them is pretty much their souls in the real world.

And The "Time Devourer" on Terra Tower was just a name for The Luna Dragon, which comprised of the "7" dragons, in other words all the dragons + Harle.

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Maybe but Belthasar had other things to worry about first. First he had to make sure that Serge acctually lived after the panther demon attack. Possibly if Schala hadn't interfered, Belthasar may have taken Serge to Chronopolis. Besides him being in Viper Manor, who knows how long he's been there for. It seems almost like him and that girl dragoon diva became friends.
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2005, 01:29:07 am »
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Could it be that CC is in fact the prequal to RD?


I'll join you on this one. I think if we can possibly stuy enough information, we could probably make it work.

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I'm just trying to find a way to bond aspect from CT-RD-CC together. A part of everything on RD was canon. Just that some characters were changed ofcourse. You may think im stupid because Kid has Magil in RD, but ofcourse if this applies to CC, Kid never met Magil, and Grezenbul and Regonnia are just like prototype names of El Nido and Termina etc.


The problem is, is that RD was never meant to be part of the official series. So whatever we say to make it seem like it is, in the end, it will never be properly official.

And also, maybe (with a little luck to the side) SE may even put many links to RD in CB (if the damn game is ever made). This could very well make it official, and it could tie up all the loose ends about Magil and stuff.

All the stuff above is not meant to be flaming in anyway! I stress that! I am giving my personal opinion which I am entitled to.  :P
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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2005, 04:22:11 am »
Someone said earlier in another post that RD was cannon but in another dimension. And that it is official.
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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2005, 04:43:35 am »
Really? Since when was it official?? Damn, im always left out? Any links to where it says its official?
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2005, 09:25:38 am »
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Could it be that CC is in fact the prequal to RD? Maybe what we see in RD is simply the joined dimensions? And that's why some things are so different looking? Maybe? Maybe not...

I thought that according to you, CC takes place in a CT New Game+ with Crono ressurected, while RD takes place in a normal CT game with Crono dead?
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2005, 05:45:33 am »
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I thought that according to you, CC takes place in a CT New Game+ with Crono ressurected, while RD takes place in a normal CT game with Crono dead?


An interesting hypothesis, any evidence to back this up at all?
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2005, 06:49:03 am »
All that I know is that Fall of Guardia=New Game+. From what I remember, RD too stems from the Porre invasion...but perhaps it's simply Porre being militaristic or something...Is there specifics in RD that state that the Fall happened there as well? As for the Crono thing...I have no idea other than what I've heard in the Compendium...which is that Crono's dead in at least one scenario of RD (I dunno if it's the original scenario or what).
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