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Chrono Trigger: Queen Leene Kidnapped
« on: September 02, 2005, 03:51:31 pm »
Alright, let's review what we know:

-In 600AD, the Mystics kidnap Queen Leene of Guardia and lock her away in the Cathedral.
-The Mystics were under Magus's command.
-We know that, Magus had no real beef with humanity, but simply sided with the Mystics for a chance and means to get back at Lavos.

The question I pose is:

-Why then, if Magus had no beef with humanity, would he have Leene of Guardia kidnapped and locked away?

My own answers for this question are:

-Magus wanted to distract Guardia with something while he could summon Lavos.

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-The Mystics were actually acting autonomously from Magus's command in this instance, and wanted to further their own goal of exterminating humanity.

What significance this has:

-The Mystics might've succeeded in exterminating humanity in another timeline!!

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your thoughts?

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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2005, 05:15:15 pm »
There are two reasons.

The "real" reason is that Leene's kidnapping served as a plot device to introduce the gamer to the so-called villain, Magus.  In addition, the kidnapping allowed for a neat introductory mission which, despite being flawed from a...temporal mechanics...point of view, was innovative and, better yet, introduced the player to one of the greatest game characters ever: me! (Frog.)

The "compulsively overanalytical" reason for Magus's kidnapping Leene was, as you suggested, to disorient Guardia's forces.  We know that this plan was successful, at least insofar as the guard captain and his men had to deal with an enraged king who, understandably, was focusing chiefly on his missing wife and not on battle tactics.  

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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2005, 08:40:27 pm »
The Mystics hated the humans.  He told Ozzie that he "wanted to create a world of darkness" (before he said, "Oh, how dreadful!  Do you hear that?  Its the sound of the reaper...").  Its obvious that the Mystics made him their leader to destroy the humans.  This would also give him the resources to summom Lavos.

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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2005, 08:49:30 pm »
For the most part, I believe it was just a ploy to get Guardia's defenses down.

Guardia and his men would be much more interested in find the queen at present than they would keeping defenses up; I doubt battle tactics were really thought out as this occurred.

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2005, 08:55:51 pm »
Oh yes...  Since Magus was at war with Guardia, capturing their Queen, someone who all of Guardia cherished, and having her murdered (that was what Yarka was planning to do), would be a big blow to Guardian moral.

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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2005, 10:24:01 pm »
I don't think Magus would waste his time wit something like this, it smells more like something Ozzie would order.

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2005, 10:50:15 pm »
It wouldn't take alot of time to say "Yarka, I order you to take a battlion of Mystics, kidnap Queen Leene, and kill her."

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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2005, 12:29:13 am »
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Oh yes...  Since Magus was at war with Guardia, capturing their Queen, someone who all of Guardia cherished, and having her murdered (that was what Yarka was planning to do), would be a big blow to Guardian moral.


Are you sure Yakra was planning to kill Leene?  I don't recall that.

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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2005, 12:44:10 am »
Yes, he was.

First, there was the whole thing about Marle disappearing, because Leene died (which she did.  damn plot hole).  Secondly...  Well, here's the text:
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Chancellor: Prepare yourself, Queen Leene

This is what Yarka, as the Chancellor, says when Crono and co enter the room.  It STRONGLY implies that he was about to kill her.

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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2005, 12:44:15 am »
Don't read too much into this. Magus was more of a figurehead doing his own thing with the Mystics than Ozzie, who commanded them. Yakra seemed to have his own force entirely, holed up in the cathedral and intent on disrupting Guardia, as stated in the script. No real question here.

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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2005, 12:48:23 am »
Yarka also had a nice statue of Magus, where they all went to Worship him.  Its not a streach to say they were in league.

Also, I think Magus was more than a Figure head.  Ozzie was simply his General.  Or at least he calls himself "Magus's General", or something like that.  Nobody that I can remmber in Guardia ever mentions Ozzie, other than one who talks about Magus' Three Henchmen, Ozzie, Slash, and Flea.  Its safe to say that Magus was more than a figure head; he was running the show.

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2005, 01:06:32 am »
I don't think he was actively planning attacks and pillaging, no. We see him confronting Cyrus, of course, but this was a serious attempt on his life. From the evidence, it seems like Ozzie is the main general and rabblerouser, while Magus hangs back at the Lair and works on Lavos. This is akin to Kahless; all the Klingons pay respect to him deeply, and he is their spiritual leader, but other people (even when he returns as a clone) handle the logistics. Magus also seems like he wouldn't give a real damn about attacking a village, while Ozzie's villainy provides for it perfectly.

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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2005, 01:07:53 am »
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Yes, he was.

First, there was the whole thing about Marle disappearing, because Leene died (which she did.  damn plot hole).  Secondly...  Well, here's the text:
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Chancellor: Prepare yourself, Queen Leene

This is what Yarka, as the Chancellor, says when Crono and co enter the room.  It STRONGLY implies that he was about to kill her.


Leene never died.  How could she have?  Upon seeing Marle vanish, Crono and Lucca go rescue Leene.  No time travel was involved.  Therefore, Leene could not have died.

There is, however, a plot hole involved.  Assuming for the sake of argument that for some reason Marle did not have TTI, there would still be no reason for her to disappear simply because the search for Leene was called off and it became probable that Leene would die.  It's been said before and I'll say it again:  the first 600 A.D. adventure is totally inconsistent with the rest of the series, at least insofar as time travel and its effects are concerned.

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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2005, 01:21:19 am »
I know Leene didn't die.  But I used that as an example that she would have.  Lucca basically says that Marle vanished because "something" has happend to Queen Leene (with a little animation of an Imp killing her).  I realize this who situation is a plot hole, but it illastrates Yarka's intension for Leene.

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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2005, 01:25:52 am »
Ah, now I say what you're seeing, er, see what you're saying.  (Ugh!)