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Why Didn't Lavos Erupt Earlier?
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2005, 11:34:27 pm »
No, not really. Zenning (or whoever made this thread) is asking why Lavos didn't destroy the world sooner, since he seems fully evolved in 12,000 BC.

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« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2005, 11:39:13 pm »
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No, not really. Zenning (or whoever made this thread) is asking why Lavos didn't destroy the world sooner, since he seems fully evolved in 12,000 BC.


Because that's how the game was made. If it was in 1245AD, then we would still be asking this question.

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« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2005, 11:36:27 pm »
I am sorry for my actions. Here is a sincere apology:

I am very sory for fighting with my fellow people. We are one in the same and we should all treat eachother with respect and dignity.

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« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2005, 11:55:19 pm »
I have to agree. Zenning, you're no more of a veteran than Nightmare. You have no more cred than he. Get over yourself, chill out, squeeze your ego a bit, and walk back into the light of decency.

Once you go down the dark path, forever will it rule your destiny (Cept me, cause I'm that awesome :D)

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« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2005, 12:23:34 am »
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Chill the catfight guys. We're here to Question and discuss, not to bicker and whine.

It is the inevitable nowadays it seems, my friend, and all we can do is watch as it gets worse and worse...


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I have to agree. Zenning, you're no more of a veteran than Nightmare. You have no more cred than he. Get over yourself, chill out, squeeze your ego a bit, and walk back into the light of decency. Once you go down the dark path, forever will it rule your destiny (Cept me, cause I'm that awesome :D)

Ahh, I apologize, gentlemen.

I promised myself I wouldn't devolve to a forum whore/troll/worm,
but in trying to deal with said individuals, I became one myself.

For this, you have my sincerest of apologies.

From now on, I'll go back to posting like how I originally used to:

posting on topic and staying out of personal feuds.

Thank you, and good night!

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« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2005, 08:53:13 am »
Zenning, just a note, but the Compendium has never really been about staying on topic all the time. I mean, it's good if the topic stays focused, but if a thread delves into subjects that splinter from the original, all the better. Just as long as it's not completely off-the-wall and has nothing to do w/the Chrono series at all...like that back-and-forth banter you and nightmare just had.

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« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2005, 01:48:46 am »
Wow...this thread really erupted...much like Lavos... lol.

I don't buy Lavos not being "fully evolved" or being "the same size as his spawn". I don't think Lavos was a "child" when he came here. And by 1999 A.D. he'd probably gained all the energy he needed to erupt, destroy the earth, and begin spawning. You have to remember that while we are able to travel through time (and of course, Lavos it too), 2300 A.D. had not happened yet when Lavos erupted! Yes, he can control time, yes he has a "Pocket Dimension" or whatever, but 2300, in essence, doesn't exist yet!

I think he, being a creator of sorts for humankind/animalkind alike and the absorber of the planet's energy and the DNA of all creatures living on it, probably figured they'd reached the height of their existance by this time. He might have had the foresight to realize, that if they were aware of his presence, with the obvious technological advances evident in what we have seen of 1999 A.D., they might have been able to devise SOMETHING to go against him. I guess he didn't want to take that chance to let them get close enough to doing that, so he erupted then, destroyed everything, with any threat, however small it might have been eliminated he was free to carry out his spawning unchallenged. That is, until our band of hereos shows up.

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« Reply #52 on: October 21, 2005, 01:50:39 am »
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...If you fight Lavos in the Ocean Palace, you'll see that he's already fully evolved! He hasn't evolved anymore between 12000BC and 1999AD!...


I would like to point out, you are thinking about this completely and totally illogically.  Evolution takes alot more time then has passed between then and 1999AD

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« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2005, 02:50:59 am »
Wow, I've never seen so many deleted posts in one thread in my life o_O

Anyway, his attacks in 12,000 in the OP are NOT the same as when you fight him normally in 1999. In 1999, he goes through all the old bosses you fought, THEN fights the way you fight him in OP. Therefore, he's not as strong in the OP as in 1999.

So =p

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« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2005, 09:19:44 am »
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Therefore, he's not as strong in the OP as in 1999.

So =p


I completely disagree with you, he fights differently in 1999 because he has absorbed all the DNA of all living life by then. Just because he fights you differently does not constitute his lack of strength. The Mammon Machine woke him up because they got too close. He woke up long enough to kick your ass and long enough to destroy Zeal. After that, he went back to sleep underground. If they had not built the Undersea Palace and brought the Mammon Machine that close, he might never have been awoken then.

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« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2005, 09:47:43 pm »
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Therefore, he's not as strong in the OP as in 1999.

So =p


I completely disagree with you, he fights differently in 1999 because he has absorbed all the DNA of all living life by then. Just because he fights you differently does not constitute his lack of strength. The Mammon Machine woke him up because they got too close. He woke up long enough to kick your ass and long enough to destroy Zeal. After that, he went back to sleep underground. If they had not built the Undersea Palace and brought the Mammon Machine that close, he might never have been awoken then.


I'm not sure I understand the final point of your post...

Besides, I don't see the point of gathering DNA if it doesn't make Lavos, and in effect its spawn, stronger. What's the point?

I believe he's weaker the further back in time you go.

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« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2005, 12:47:07 am »
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I'm not sure I understand the final point of your post...

Besides, I don't see the point of gathering DNA if it doesn't make Lavos, and in effect its spawn, stronger. What's the point?

I believe he's weaker the further back in time you go.


Good Lord man, its not that hard. How do you know it doesn't make him stronger? I refer you to the battle of 1999 A.D., does he not use "attack modes" from different bosses throughout the game? ...EXACTLY. That's the whole point! To make him even more of a formidable foe. And, I would guess these same traits are passed on to his spawn, giving them the same abilities.

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« Reply #57 on: October 22, 2005, 12:56:15 am »
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Good Lord man, its not that hard.


Now now, no need to be harsh. Besides, what I was saying was that as your paragraph continued, each of your sentences didn't really connect with the one previous. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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How do you know it doesn't make him stronger? I refer you to the battle of 1999 A.D., does he not use "attack modes" from different bosses throughout the game? ...EXACTLY. That's the whole point! To make him even more of a formidable foe. And, I would guess these same traits are passed on to his spawn, giving them the same abilities.


Ok, I understand what you're saying. Lavos, in its own abilities, does not get stronger from absoring the DNA of the planet. That's easily acceptable.

But my point is: the fact that Lavos gets all those abilities from all those bosses DOES make it overall stronger, right?

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« Reply #58 on: October 22, 2005, 01:03:01 am »
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Now now, no need to be harsh. Besides, what I was saying was that as your paragraph continued, each of your sentences didn't really connect with the one previous. Correct me if I'm wrong.


I really don't see what you mean, I thought it flowed nicely myself.

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Ok, I understand what you're saying. Lavos, in its own abilities, does not get stronger from absoring the DNA of the planet. That's easily acceptable.

But my point is: the fact that Lavos gets all those abilities from all those bosses DOES make it overall stronger, right?


Most definitely. I mean, as they came about over time, he absorbed their DNA and absorbed their abilities, he didn't have those abilities before (at least, that's what I'd assume), now he does, therefore he's stronger. That may be part of the whole plan too, to absorb abilities and powers, making him grow stronger and more powerful which makes it all the more difficult to defeat him.

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« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2005, 01:54:34 am »
Lavos doesn't absorb the DNA from the Planet. He absorbs it's life force, hence making him stronger, might mean that one day he'll get off the planet. The DNA is for him to achieve a perfect evolution, and possibly hand it on to his spawn.