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The Time Crash: 7,600 B.C.?
« on: September 06, 2005, 07:41:09 am »
It's commonly accepted that during the Time Crash, Chronopolis was pulled back from 2,400 AD to 7,600 BC (10,000 years into the past). I think that Chronopolis was brought to another era though.

1.
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[Ghost]
   Originally, El Nido was
   nothing but ocean.
   The El Nido Archipelago
   is purely artificial,
   created by FATE.
   It was a remodeling plan that
   took place 10,000 years ago.
   A plan to include islands, blessed
   with nature, in the sea of El Nido.
   The main island of El Nido,
   Earth Dragon Isle, Water Dragon Isle,
   Black Dragon Isle...
(...)
   And for over 10,000 years,
   FATE has been watching over and
   guiding the descendants of the
   staff who left this research center.
   Everything was in pefect harmony.
   That is, until 14 years ago,
   when a boy came into contact with
   the Flame on the night of the storm.

According to this ghost, the El Nido archipelago was created "10,000 years ago". The ghosts in Chronopolis seem to be from different eras (some are from before the Time Crash and the others are from the present). This one seems to be from 1,020 AD since the night of the storm is "14 years ago" for him.

So I'm inclined to believe that "10,000 years ago" from the present is either -8,980 BC (if counting from 1,020 AD) or 10,000 BC (if counting from 1 AD). The Ultimania Guide says it's 10,000 BC but as it's a flawed guide I'll try to consider other arguments.

Anyway, it can't really be -7,600 BC as the ghost says FATE has been watching for over 10,000 years (the ghost's mind is in 1,020 AD not 2,400 AD).

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2.
Quote from: Lucca's ghost
  Princess Schala traveled ten
   thousand years in time to try
   and make contact with this
   dimension!
   This caused a raging magnetic
   storm that resulted in FATE's
   system malfunction, which led
   Serge to the Frozen Flame.

According to Lucca, Schala traveled 10,000 years in time (whatever that means). Schala was in 12,000 BC and the storm is in 1,006 AD, so we can take the "10,000 years" for an approximation of "13,006 years". Or simply speaking, it should mean that the characters actually refers to 12,000 BC when they say things like "10,000 years ago".

Kid does say Schala had waited for "10,000 years":
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Kid:
   C'mon Serge, me mate!
   You don't wanna keep the
   girl waiting any longer...
   She's been waitin' for you,
   and only you!
   And for over ten thousand
   years, I might add!

And if you speak to the Frozen Flame atop Terra Tower with Kid as the leader, Lavos (or just the Flame?) claims that the fall of Zeal happened 10,000 years ago:
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Kid:
   An ancient magical kingdom...?
   That you destroyed
   ten thousand years ago...?
   What are ya talkin' about?

Because of those quotes, I tend to believe that "10,000 years ago" means 12,000 BC (instead of 8,980 BC or 10,000 BC).

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3. Finally, I think there are also some details to consider in the Polis War picture (thanks to Zaperking for the screenshot!):

There are icebergs. Some pretty big icebergs. It's surprising because El Nido is supposed to be a tropical paradize. It's less surprising if the Time Crash did indeed bring Chronopolis to 12,000 BC, because we saw in Chrono Trigger that the whole planet was cold and filled with icebergs in that era, even at the equator and the tropics.

After the fall of Zeal in CT, the survivors claimed that the weather was beginning to get less cold. So if the ice began to melt as early as in 12,000 BC, it would be hard to think that there would still be those huge icebergs in the tropics in 7,600 BC.

Now with all those stuff, I believe that the Time Crash brought Chronopolis and Dinopolis to 12,000 BC (or maybe 10,000 BC) and not in 7,600 BC.

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4. Finally:
Quote from: Kid
  Chronopolis was hurled ten
   thousand years back in time.
   Perhaps it was the awakenin'
   Lavos who pulled the Frozen
   Flame back through time to it.
   Maybe so that Lavos, who saw
   the possibility that some young
   adventurers might destroy it,
   could create a backup plan.

I don't know what is Lavos's backup plan (considering he's supposed to be already dead...), but if it has "pulled the Frozen Flame to it", it would make more sense for it to have actually brought the Flame to it (Lavos came out of its pocket dimension in 12,000 BC) and not to 7,600 BC when it was probably sleeping deep inside the earth core with nothing really interesting happening.

So... your thoughts?

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The Time Crash: 7,600 B.C.?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2005, 10:56:13 am »
In fact, they meant it was roughly 10,000 years. It was almost 9,000 years by 1,020 A.D., and people hardly linger on exact dates.

And there's icebergs there because they landed during a last ice-age. Part of why FATE pwnzed the Dragonians. Cold blooded reptiles hate the cold. In an ice-age, even El-Nido would be covered in ice.

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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2005, 06:43:08 pm »
I'm sure the planet isn't so stupid as to bring it's secret weapon into an ice age O.o Perhaps there's just over the damn north pole, and FATE moved everythaang to a remote area?

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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2005, 04:35:43 am »
Maybe Terra tower flew to somewhere it was cold and Chronopolis just followed? The tower itself seems like it's alive.

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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2005, 06:27:31 pm »
Why on earth would Terra Tower do that? Unless the Dragonians became warm-blooded, but I doubt it.

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The Time Crash: 7,600 B.C.?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2005, 06:28:29 pm »
These are all valid points (Chrono'99's). I suppose when the Axioms are reviewed, a hard look will be taken at the date, and we may include notes beside whatever new date we arbitrarily assign that explain the lack of precision of the date from the game canon.

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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2006, 06:22:17 pm »
I've added a disclaimer to the Chronology page.

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Re: The Time Crash: 7,600 B.C.?
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2006, 03:43:21 pm »
The fourth point seems to be the kicker. It's also totally jiving with the new evidence that Lavos was certifiably defeated in 12000 B.C. through the Black Omen and nothing happened at all in 1999 A.D. I'm saving the Time & Space forum for last in the topic review so we can straighten this out. My only worry is that the 12000 B.C. sections of the Chronology will get a little messy...but oh well. 1000 A.D. already looks terrible, so it doesn't matter.

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Re: The Time Crash: 7,600 B.C.?
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2006, 05:30:10 pm »
Just writing this down before changing stuff:

http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ocean_Palace_Incident_%28Flame_Theory%29

Time to revise the Chronology...