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« on: September 11, 2005, 03:09:09 am »
Well, The other day, in my history class, the learning subject was about neanderthals and other monkey like humans like the homo erectus etc.
I was reading somewhere that the evolution patterns were abnormal, and remembered that there is still a missing like to humans and animals. One question that came up to me was like how can animals sence approaching danger when humans totally cannot?

Also, saw that 30,000 years was no way enough time for humans to change drematically. As how we have asian looking people, cascasian looking people and negro looking people - basically 30,000 years was not enough time since the time that apparently humans first appeared.

So I started thinking, is there any possibility that our ancestors came in contact with the Frozen Flame? Or something similar that could evolve us? Lol, maybe i've just been replaying to much CT and CC XD

Thoughts?

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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2005, 03:49:42 am »
Perhaps our distant ancestors came into a contact with a black monolith.  Oh, wait.

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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2005, 06:16:15 am »
Neanderthals were more like us than like monkeys, and we're both closer to apes than monkeys. Also, modern humans have existed for some 400,000 years. While that may be long enough, in theory, for true races to arise, humanity is comprised of one biological race. The so-called "races"  (whites, Asians, etc) are merely social constructs.

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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2005, 12:01:44 pm »
I direct you all to the prologue of 2001: Space Odyysey

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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2005, 01:03:43 pm »
For there to be a real life Frozen Flame ... oh your talking about what it did right?!  Well I doubt there was one, after all how can an inanimate object speed up evoulution?
 Also about the whole sense danger well.. I guess our knowledge helps us recongise coming danger.

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2005, 03:04:47 pm »
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I was reading somewhere that the evolution patterns were abnormal, and remembered that there is still a missing like to humans and animals.

There is no such thing as a “normal” evolutionary pattern. Biological evolution is a completely passive process; think of it as a byproduct of an underlying cause. That cause is natural selection, wherein the species most able to adapt to changing circumstances are the ones that continue to prosper and thrive. A rapid evolution in a given species is an effect rather than a cause and indicates some environmental event(s) during that time which caused a reactive adaptation significant enough in difference from previous speciary behaviors to create the appearance of evolutionary rapidity in the future.

The “missing link” between humans and animals is a red herring perpetrated by religious types who don’t like the thought that humans are animals too. But, if you cut out all the insinuations, their basic point is correct: In terms of fossils, we have yet to demonstrate with irrefutable certainty that modern humans reduce to protohumans reduce to some known form of lower primate. That’s attributable to the scarcity of the fossil record, and the swiftness with which this evolution occured.

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One question that came up to me was like how can animals sence approaching danger when humans totally cannot?

Humans have instincts too, but these have been coopted by rational thought. When an animal has a rational intellect at its disposal, as we do, many instincts are muted and some do not even register. Also, remember that animals are behavioral. When our behaviors are reinforced, we are more fervent in persisting in them. The natural warning signs, say, of the tidal retreat ahead of the tsunami last year, were completely overwhelmed by the constructs of social life. I would venture to guess that our actual, physical capacity for being aware of these sorts of things is largely still intact, buried within us. That guess of mine could be proved (or disproved) by putting a very large population of human toddlers and young children out alone in the wild, with no human contact ever, and charting their progress over the years. I suspect many of these instinctual vestiges would return in force—that is, would prove to be not at all vestigial.

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Also, saw that 30,000 years was no way enough time for humans to change drematically.

You don’t seem to be appreciating just how long “30,000 years” happens to be. 30,000 years, at 16 years per generation, equates to 1875 generations. That is more than enough time for ample variation in the human genome. However, just because a species can evolve does not mean it will evolve. There must be environmental conditions to spur this. And, so, we get back again to the fallacy of your idea that evolution has a “normal” pattern. It’s just the opposite. The normal course of evolution is completely arbitrary, utterly dependent upon external events. This is why many periods in history are relatively long and uninterrupted in evolutionary terms, with short, sudden punctuations of this normalcy peppered throughout history. These were no doubt the result of significant shifts in the balance of nature, either from sudden catastrophic events or, more often, from small, gradual changes that caused significant realignment at the top.

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So I started thinking, is there any possibility that our ancestors came in contact with the Frozen Flame? Or something similar that could evolve us? Lol, maybe i’ve just been replaying to much CT and CC XD Thoughts?

It is very unlikely. Contact with the Frozen Flame is separate from some other random event in that the Flame has an intelligence, which changed the human genome directly and deliberately, in turn causing us to become more like we are now, whilst skipping a great deal of intermediary evolutionary steps, and ultimately delivering us with disparity into a more highly-evolved form. This is separate from the natural process of biological evolution, which can never skip a step. The Flame, therefore, is an example of a differend kind of evolution...something that I call “artificial evolution,” but which laypeople may think of simply as “intelligent design,” with a lowercase “I” of course. Such an event in human history is not impossible, as 2001 playfully suggests, but it lacks both historical evidence and historical need. In other words, we could have evolved to the point we’re at today by known evolutionary methods, rather than relying on some outside, intelligent source like the Frozen Flame for which there is no proof. In all likelihood, when it comes to our real-world evolution, the equivalent of the “Frozen Flame” is a reification that encompasses a great number of distinct, individual steps in the history of our species, which, taken together, happen to comprise a fascinating and artistically separable page in our evolution.

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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2005, 06:53:22 pm »
lol

The Frozen Flame was the burning bush that Moses talked to [/sarcasm]

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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2005, 07:06:14 pm »
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lol

The Frozen Flame was the burning bush that Moses talked to [/sarcasm]

I find that strangely hilarious. I think it's the alliteration...

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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2005, 07:23:12 pm »
How's about...the Frozen Flame was the equivalent of the apple from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which was in...THE GARDEN OF EDEN? Kinda like the Frozen Flame in the Sea of Eden? The background music track for which, the name was "Garden of God?"

Think about it; the Frozen Flame is comprised of a half of love, and a half of hate, and made humans evolve rapidly, thus making them more intelligent in less time than it would have otherwise taken. And the apple gave humans wisdom, thus opening their eyes to good and evil.

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God forbid that video games would actually allude to the Bible...
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2005, 09:36:03 pm »
Frozen Flame=Pandora's Box

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The hell? The Frozen Flame may have given us love and hate, but it's not literally love and hate. OOO! The Dragon Tear's shards are Love and Hate, and combining them equal the Chrono Cross! Crono Cross is the opposite of Frozen Flame? Chrono Cross symbolic of humanity, but made by dragonians, which goes deeper into it's symbolism of infinite unity? My head hurts. Wow.

Anyway, you're all totally wrong. The Burning Bush was Spekkio. Yea. That's how Moses figured out his magic tricks. He learned Shadow Magic. Why the shape of a burning bush? Moses was beaten with papyrus sticks when he was little. Poor boy.

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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2005, 10:24:08 pm »
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Anyway, you're all totally wrong. The Burning Bush was Spekkio. Yea. That's how Moses figured out his magic tricks. He learned Shadow Magic. Why the shape of a burning bush? Moses was beaten with papyrus sticks when he was little. Poor boy.


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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2005, 11:35:45 pm »
religious persecution! :O liek omg i call mods on j00

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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2005, 11:42:14 pm »
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:O liek omg i call mods on j00


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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2005, 11:46:57 pm »
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2005, 11:49:46 pm »
Frozen Flame or not, we exist.