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« Reply #120 on: October 24, 2005, 10:39:56 pm »
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I think Gray over exadurated Lavos compared to our modern day physics and comet laws.
Lavos landed on the Tryno Lair, and that was all that was destroyed. Nothing Else, nothing more. It'd take time before the ice age stats. We didn't see a huge dust cloud, only the vapourization of Tryno Lair (well the land it was on). There was no huge fire inferno that spread from the area, otherwise Ioka would have been destroyed + the forests etc.


I don't think you're taking into account Lavos' size. He wasn't as big as a comet, especially the one that hit earth.


What? That wasn't a comet that landed in 65,000,000, if that's what you're talking about. That WAS Lavos.

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« Reply #121 on: October 24, 2005, 10:47:56 pm »
No no, I'm talking about the one that hit earth in real life, lol not in CT. I'm just saying I don't think Zaperking was taking Lavos' size into consideration in reference to the impact he made as opposed to the one that hit earth and caused the ice age.

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« Reply #122 on: October 24, 2005, 10:55:56 pm »
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No no, I'm talking about the one that hit earth in real life, lol not in CT.


Oh, haha. Which comet are you talking about? Oh, the one that possibly caused the Ice Age? Bah, we have no idea what happened in our past, just guesses and clues that tell us very little.

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« Reply #123 on: October 24, 2005, 11:09:40 pm »
Chrono Trigger fact: Lavos hitting the planet cause the Ice Age.

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« Reply #124 on: October 24, 2005, 11:15:25 pm »
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Chrono Trigger fact: Lavos hitting the planet cause the Ice Age.


Surely you meant to post more than an obvious fact right?

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« Reply #125 on: October 24, 2005, 11:38:38 pm »
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Chrono Trigger fact: Lavos hitting the planet cause the Ice Age.


Surely you meant to post more than an obvious fact right?


I don't think so, I think he was just stating this to dissuade further arguing about Lavos' landing resulting in the Ice Age and whatnot.

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« Reply #126 on: October 24, 2005, 11:50:21 pm »
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Remember the earthquake we just
   had?

   We've been having too many.
   Something's wrong...
   Hope the Big One isn't coming!


I blame Lavos's presence inside the earth's core for all these geological anomalies.  Lavos is most likely affecting the plate tectonics of the planet's crust.


Doesn't that kill the PD theory though?


Lavos's pocket dimension transcends time, not space.  It is still physically present in the core of the Earth.

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I think Gray over exaggerated Lavos compared to our modern day physics and comet laws.
Lavos landed on the Tryno Lair, and that was all that was destroyed. Nothing Else, nothing more. It'd take time before the ice age starts. We didn't see a huge dust cloud, only the vapourization of Tryno Lair (well the land it was on). There was no huge fire inferno that spread from the area, otherwise Ioka would have been destroyed + the forests etc.


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AZALA: Soon, stones of fire will rain
   down.
   Flames shall scorch the land.

   The burned out plains will slowly
   freeze, ushering in a long, cruel ice
   age.

   Mwa, ha ha...what a treat!
   You will wish you went along with us!

   Mwa ha!


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KINO: Lavos fall.
   Reptites gone. Good!
   But get cold now.
   Hunting bad...

   But Kino not give up!
   Ayla no worry, leave to Kino!


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Many cloud in sky.
   No can see sun.

White, cold stuff fall from sky.
   What that?

Bright fire, Lavos, fall.
   Get cold now.

No more Sweet Water.
   Never happen before.

Less monster, now cold.
   Less animal too.

Brr!
   Cold!


The Super Nintendo has obvious graphical limitations, which do not allow for an accurate representation of Lavos's devastation of the world in 65 million BC.  However, Azala and the human villagers describe global destruction and catastrophic climate change brought about by Lavos's impact.

The idea of an ice age lasting millions of years is called Snowball Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth).  There is a lot of controversy in the scientific community as to whether this hypothesis actually occurred, but it relates to the events observed in Chrono Trigger.

A massive earth impact in Chicxulub, Mexico is generally accepted to have caused the K-T boundary layer (Cretaceous) mass extinction event 65,000,000 years ago.  An asteroid or comet with an estimated diameter of 10 km impacted with the energy 100 trillion Tons of TNT.  The explosion produced tsunamis and expelled thousands of cubic kilometers of rock into the air and into space.  Falling debris would have superheated the upper atmosphere, baking the surface of the earth and causing global wildfires.  Dust suspended in the atmosphere from the impact and wildfires blocked sun-light, halting photosynthesis and causing global climate change.  In order to cause the global effects seen in the game, an impact of this magnitude would be required (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_Crater).

If the atmospheric dust caused sufficient global cooling, snow and sea-ice would reflect more sun-light, exacerbating the cooling effect.  More ice would form, increasing the planet's albedo, until the ice extended to the equator.  An environment similar to this, with global ice and snow cover, existed in 12,000 BC in Chrono Trigger.  The runaway ice-age would persist for millions of years until a buildup of greenhouse gases from volcanic eruptions (or Lavos's eruption in 12,000 BC) caused the rapid warming of the planet.  The Snowball Earth scenario may not have really occurred on earth, but Lavos's impact caused a similar climactic change to occur in Chrono Trigger.

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« Reply #127 on: October 25, 2005, 12:18:38 am »
Very well said, this is what I'd been referring to, but didn't have the time to look up all the references :)

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« Reply #128 on: December 20, 2005, 04:02:31 pm »
Perhaps in 2300 AD the Earth is not totally 'dead' yet, and Lavos is still draining its energy? If that's true, then it's entirely plausible that when it's done with the planet, Lavos uses extra energy to, I don't know, explode the planet and launch itself out into space to find another planet?
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« Reply #129 on: December 20, 2005, 09:34:24 pm »
Just at Gray, that Azala quote can mean a few things. Maybe a comet will land after Lavos. Who knows.
I mean the whole situation is kind of made to replicate what happened in our past, that wiped out the dinosaurs. That's what I like about it.

But even if Lavos landed, and we can still see it from the map, it may have taken another 1000 years for the Ice Age to settle in. Maybe 20-100 at minimum. Surely, even Lavos' energy draining of the planet and earthquakes and moving in the core may have shifted the teutonic plates and changed weather patterns, right? That can all lead into an iceage.

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« Reply #130 on: December 20, 2005, 10:05:14 pm »
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Just at Gray, that Azala quote can mean a few things. Maybe a comet will land after Lavos. Who knows.
I mean the whole situation is kind of made to replicate what happened in our past, that wiped out the dinosaurs. That's what I like about it.

But even if Lavos landed, and we can still see it from the map, it may have taken another 1000 years for the Ice Age to settle in. Maybe 20-100 at minimum. Surely, even Lavos' energy draining of the planet and earthquakes and moving in the core may have shifted the teutonic plates and changed weather patterns, right? That can all lead into an iceage.


The climate began to change before the conclusion of Chrono Trigger.  Read what the villagers say:

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Many cloud in sky.
No can see sun.

White, cold stuff fall from sky.
What that?

Bright fire, Lavos, fall.
Get cold now.

No more Sweet Water.
Never happen before.

Less monster, now cold.
Less animal too.

Brr!
Cold!

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« Reply #131 on: December 21, 2005, 03:27:02 am »
Isn't that to fast for snow to fall, still? The super heating hasn't even started yet :O

To bad that we can't see snow.

Hey wait! How can they power the sunstone if the whole world should have been in clouds..

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« Reply #132 on: December 21, 2005, 05:15:22 am »
Radiation still pours through clouds. Maybe the energy required to power up the stone was inside that specific radiation, whatever it is.

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« Reply #133 on: December 21, 2005, 07:17:06 am »
The Sun Keep keeps a bright light ray in its cave no matter the weather (even in 2,300AD).

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« Reply #134 on: December 21, 2005, 05:20:46 pm »
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Perhaps in 2300 AD the Earth is not totally 'dead' yet, and Lavos is still draining its energy? If that's true, then it's entirely plausible that when it's done with the planet, Lavos uses extra energy to, I don't know, explode the planet and launch itself out into space to find another planet?
...
Shutting up now.


Naw. The Planet is dead. The only reason there's any life at all (humans) is because of their technology. Lavos also doesn't want to move on to another planet because that would disrupt it's life cycle. It's CHILDREN are supposed to go to other planets, and it can be assumed that Lavos is a species that passes on genetic material, then dies.