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« Reply #150 on: December 30, 2005, 01:43:50 am »
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Schala talks through the flame > She's the arbiter.


Schala was not Arbiter of the Frozen Flame.    She was a component of Lavos, being arbitrated by Serge.


No, She made Serge the arbiter, by commanding Wazuki to bring Serge to the flame. That was, Serge and Schala have a link, and in turn, are both linked to Lavos.

Schala is most likely the original arbiter who communed with Lavos to obtain vasts amount of power. Even if those pre-historic people touched the flame, they didn't truely get linked with Lavos, but had their gene pull expanded and their brains hightened to a higher scale of thought and intellect.

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« Reply #151 on: December 30, 2005, 01:55:57 pm »
I was always under the impression that the Arbiter only applied to the machinery that keeps everyone out of the containment center where the Frozen Flame lies, in Chronopolis. It has nothing to do with the FF specifically. They could've had a grilled cheese sandwich in there, but Serge would've been the Arbiter, aka the only person allowed by the computers into the room.

In other words, being Arbiter is basically being a key into the room, nothing to do with the FF (except that the FF is what happens to be in that room).

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« Reply #152 on: December 30, 2005, 02:45:28 pm »
That theory's kinda cool, actually. But still, the mysticism of the Arbiter makes me giddy for fanfiction. Besides, what about the Arbiter being the link between Man and Lavos? Or how the Frozen Flame "awakens" when the Arbiter is near? or how only the Arbiter and anyone with him can safely go into the Dead Sea?

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« Reply #153 on: December 30, 2005, 04:15:01 pm »
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That theory's kinda cool, actually. But still, the mysticism of the Arbiter makes me giddy for fanfiction. Besides, what about the Arbiter being the link between Man and Lavos? Or how the Frozen Flame "awakens" when the Arbiter is near? or how only the Arbiter and anyone with him can safely go into the Dead Sea?

Wow, there's so much assumptions in this post. Could you provide evidences or quotes proving what you said? It seems you're confusing "Arbiter of Time" with "Serge". "Arbiter of Time" is simply what Mystic3eb said, nothing more. The Arbiter just happens to be Serge during the adventure, i.e. the Chrono Trigger, the one who made contact with Schala, etc. But "Arbiter" in itself is just a title for the person who's been registered in the Prometheus Circuit memory.

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« Reply #154 on: December 30, 2005, 09:16:54 pm »
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That theory's kinda cool, actually. But still, the mysticism of the Arbiter makes me giddy for fanfiction. Besides, what about the Arbiter being the link between Man and Lavos? Or how the Frozen Flame "awakens" when the Arbiter is near? or how only the Arbiter and anyone with him can safely go into the Dead Sea?

Wow, there's so much assumptions in this post. Could you provide evidences or quotes proving what you said? It seems you're confusing "Arbiter of Time" with "Serge". "Arbiter of Time" is simply what Mystic3eb said, nothing more. The Arbiter just happens to be Serge during the adventure, i.e. the Chrono Trigger, the one who made contact with Schala, etc. But "Arbiter" in itself is just a title for the person who's been registered in the Prometheus Circuit memory.


But Serge is both the Arbiter of Time and the Arbiter in FATE.
Schala chose him to touch the flame, and he didn't get burnt or corrupt by it. But in the opposite, Wazuki went insane from the flame and such. Serge is the one who is destined to defeat the TD, I guess. I'm not sure, but I think someone said that if Serge died, the TD would absorb him and evolve even faster.

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« Reply #155 on: December 31, 2005, 05:25:03 pm »
Sorry, I assumed it was fact that Serge was the Arbiter, what with Serge = Arbiter being the focal point of the entire plot of CC. But y'know. Whatever.

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« Reply #156 on: January 15, 2006, 12:26:29 pm »
Schala WAS the Arbiter. It's also possible Riddle was the Arbiter in the Radical Dreamers' timeline. However, once Schala stopped was sent to the DBT she stopped being the Arbiter. She was able to talk through the Flame due to her being a part of Lavos. She used to be the Arbiter, due to her exclusive power over the Mammon Machine. Once she disappeared, the Flame needed a new Arbiter. Needless to say, Schala just wanted to save her potential savior, not turn him to the new Arbiter. However, by the time of CC, Schala WASN'T the Arbiter.

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« Reply #157 on: January 15, 2006, 08:50:26 pm »
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Schala WAS the Arbiter. It's also possible Riddle was the Arbiter in the Radical Dreamers' timeline. However, once Schala stopped was sent to the DBT she stopped being the Arbiter. She was able to talk through the Flame due to her being a part of Lavos. She used to be the Arbiter, due to her exclusive power over the Mammon Machine. Once she disappeared, the Flame needed a new Arbiter. Needless to say, Schala just wanted to save her potential savior, not turn him to the new Arbiter. However, by the time of CC, Schala WASN'T the Arbiter.


Schala was still the arbiter. The fact here was that she had no contact with it. And aslong as she was alive, she most likely was the arbiter. Also, I don't think Schala even knew that Serge would ever save her. She gave him pitty and mercy. I think the reason why he didn't get burnt upon touching it was because she commanded the flame not to, and hence, by being able to touch it freely, he also became the arbiter, whilst Wazuki got burned (well corrupt bu it).

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« Reply #158 on: January 15, 2006, 11:38:12 pm »
The Arbiter of the Flame simply means that one can use the Frozen Flame to communicate with Lavos, or by CC's time, the Time Devourer.  If Schala is fused with Lavos at that time, then she is not the arbiter.  That would mean that shes connected with the frozen flame to communicate with herself.

And it still reminds to be seen if the Mammon Machine had the Frozen Flame in it.  Depending on how much faith you put in RD for canonical story.

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« Reply #159 on: January 16, 2006, 12:54:45 am »
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The Arbiter of the Flame simply means that one can use the Frozen Flame to communicate with Lavos, or by CC's time, the Time Devourer.  If Schala is fused with Lavos at that time, then she is not the arbiter.  That would mean that shes connected with the frozen flame to communicate with herself.

And it still reminds to be seen if the Mammon Machine had the Frozen Flame in it.  Depending on how much faith you put in RD for canonical story.

It's overwhelming.

There is no logic to how the Mammon Machine worked in CT. RD fixed that and gave us the answer. The reason why it went out of control. The flame awoke, hence Lavos awoke and realised wtf was going on. And Schala was the only person who could commune with the machine, since she was really communing with the flame.

Also, as for the Schala thing. It depends.... when she fell into the portal, she is still the arbiter if she went  up to the flame. It's only that her merger with Lavos made it so that she can speak through the flame, which is as if her subconscious is overwhelming Lavos'.

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« Reply #160 on: January 16, 2006, 02:10:58 am »
It makes total sense if the Mammon.M had the Frozen Flame in it. It harvested Lavos' power from what, thin air? Lavos only exists in the Earth... But wait, isn't there another piece of Lavos ABOVE the earth?! Oh, yes, let's take that and use it as a power source. Wait, we can get more by putting closer to Lavos?! Let's build an underwater palace and harvest it from there!!

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« Reply #161 on: January 22, 2006, 11:48:16 am »
Im guessing, that, Lavos probably died, after all those years, and where he died, a mountain formed over him, or he formed a mountain, and thus off spring was born onto deathpeak.

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« Reply #162 on: January 22, 2006, 08:33:19 pm »
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Im guessing, that, Lavos probably died, after all those years, and where he died, a mountain formed over him, or he formed a mountain, and thus off spring was born onto deathpeak.


Except that there already was a mountain there, and that do you really believe something that can live for 65,000,000 years will die after 300? >.>

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« Reply #163 on: January 22, 2006, 11:14:27 pm »
65,002,300 to be exact.

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« Reply #164 on: January 23, 2006, 08:38:12 pm »
Maybe Lavos was biologically programmed to die after releasing it's young? Lots of species do it.