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« Reply #75 on: January 24, 2006, 01:49:38 am »
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The Guru of Life said that Sir
   Janus has stronger powers than
   even Miss Schala!


This was taken from the Script. If Janus/Magus has more powers than Schala then Schala must be no where near the point of being the ultimate human. Take a look at Magus' powers and you'll see that they're pretty powerful. But if those powers are more than Schala can create, then Schala must no be as powerful as anyone had thought. Really she has no power when she's inside the TD.

NOTE: Im not trying to start an argument here, im just providing evidence that Schala is not a God or even a Demi-God.

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« Reply #76 on: January 24, 2006, 08:59:15 am »
Yeah? Well what does Melchior know?

Anyway, since Melchior made the pendant, he might have been refering to her in comparison with the power that she uses with the pendant. We never saw her natural abilities. And that's showing something.

There's also the fact that she is almost the most enlightened being in the whole of the CT world, maybe the most actually. That 13,000 years of imprisonment showed that she had time to think over such things as life, as shown with the planet and the spermatoza.

And then, we realise that she also has power over time travel.
The thing is also that Lavos needed her to survive. If Lavos can be so strong verse Serge and co, and that energy is coming from Schala, then that's showing something.

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« Reply #77 on: January 24, 2006, 10:46:27 am »
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Yeah? Well what does Melchior know?

Anyway, since Melchior made the pendant, he might have been refering to her in comparison with the power that she uses with the pendant. We never saw her natural abilities. And that's showing something.


Oh, please.  Schala sealed the Time-Gate with her magic.

Schala is nothing more than a very powerful magic using human.  Magus is just that much more powerful.

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« Reply #78 on: January 24, 2006, 10:53:01 am »
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Yeah? Well what does Melchior know?

Anyway, since Melchior made the pendant, he might have been refering to her in comparison with the power that she uses with the pendant. We never saw her natural abilities. And that's showing something.

We never saw her "natural" abilities... because she might have none to begin with! It's totally possible that manipulating the pendant's power is all she can do. Prime example: during the Ocean Palace disaster, she teleported her or the party to safety thanks to the pendant's power, and after she used all the power, she couldn't do anything on her own and got stuck in the Palace.
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And then, we realise that she also has power over time travel.
The thing is also that Lavos needed her to survive. If Lavos can be so strong verse Serge and co, and that energy is coming from Schala, then that's showing something.

Seeing as how the Time Devourer's final form is supposed to be able to devour the whole space-time continuum, it's clear that it's supposed to be more powerful than both Schala and Lavos. You can't equal the Time Devourer's power with Schala's. Time Devourer > Lavos+Schala. Moreover, the Dragon God is also part of the Time Devourer.

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« Reply #79 on: January 24, 2006, 11:05:32 am »
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Yeah? Well what does Melchior know?

Anyway, since Melchior made the pendant, he might have been refering to her in comparison with the power that she uses with the pendant. We never saw her natural abilities. And that's showing something.

We never saw her "natural" abilities... because she might have none to begin with! It's totally possible that manipulating the pendant's power is all she can do. Prime example: during the Ocean Palace disaster, she teleported her or the party to safety thanks to the pendant's power, and after she used all the power, she couldn't do anything on her own and got stuck in the Palace.
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And then, we realise that she also has power over time travel.
The thing is also that Lavos needed her to survive. If Lavos can be so strong verse Serge and co, and that energy is coming from Schala, then that's showing something.

Seeing as how the Time Devourer's final form is supposed to be able to devour the whole space-time continuum, it's clear that it's supposed to be more powerful than both Schala and Lavos. You can't equal the Time Devourer's power with Schala's. Time Devourer > Lavos+Schala. Moreover, the Dragon God is also part of the Time Devourer.


My point was that Schala sustain Lavos. So it'd have to balance out. Schala must have given Lavos enough strength of that to be able to defeat the Dragon God. That way, he can absorb it's strength. So Schala could also = Dragon God in power.

Anyway, Yeah, I forgot that Schala sealed the portal. But guess what, Magus should have done it. He didn't, since he probably can't at that stage. So even then, Schala's natural abilities are greater.

Plus, Schala isn't just a human. If you say that, then stop saying that Crono is no ordinary human, since by that logic, he's just as bit as human as Schala. Well guess what, she suffered more mentally and physically, and after all of it found enlightenment in all of it.

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« Reply #80 on: January 24, 2006, 11:24:37 am »
Lavos never defeated the Dragon God... FATE and Chronopolis did. Lavos/TD just absorbed its pwnd soul or something like that.

To speak with Final Fantasy terms, Magus is more like a Black Mage while Schala would be a Time Mage or White Mage. Magus can nuke enemies with all 4 Elements but he can't even cast a simple Cure spell... Similarly, Schala can seal a portal but that doesn't mean that she could nuke enemies with Dark Matters and Luminaires. All she does is thanks to her pendant.

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« Reply #81 on: January 24, 2006, 12:56:37 pm »
It would have made no sense for Magus to close that gate, it could have blown his cover as being the prophet if he was just as magically gifted as Schala. The Zealians can sense magic ability, I doubt they can sense how strong someone is magically.

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« Reply #82 on: January 24, 2006, 08:31:49 pm »
If Schala is as strong as Zapar is implying, Schala should be able to defeat Lavos on her own. She can't. End.

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« Reply #83 on: January 24, 2006, 09:17:50 pm »
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If Schala is as strong as Zapar is implying, Schala should be able to defeat Lavos on her own. She can't. End.


Maybe she couldn't. Though, she did try to cross dimensions. Now that's something else. Having enough power to cross dimensions. And she nearly did too, except for the fact that Lavos was still on her, or she was falling (to many discreprencies), and she decided to save Serge.

Also, you'd think why Lavos would take the Dragon God's power, if the merging process requires Schala. Maybe he needed more energy to overwhelm her. She was able to resist Lavos a some time, even mentally to. I myself thought that that purple barrier around her was erected by her to slow down the process in her final moments before Kid was released.

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« Reply #84 on: January 24, 2006, 09:54:50 pm »
Plus, 13,000 years merged with Lavos is a bogus number. We have no idea how long they were merged, just that it started after Lavos was defeated by Crono and co. Since they had the ability to touch all timelines, which explains how Schala was able to reach out to Serge and send a piece of her out as Kidd all in different points in the timeline. She could've been stuck for 1,000,000 years...or two months. Who knows.

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« Reply #85 on: January 25, 2006, 01:25:26 am »
I can see you're a Schala fan, Zaper, and we're all fond of her here, but you're kinda overempowering her. She's not godlike and she's uber. She's a princess of a magical kingdom, nothing more. And yet, the TD doesn't use any magic powers, only Elements. You can blame that on the battle system, but why not give Lavos Techs, like nearly every other boss in the game, and say that's Schala's magic? Maybe because Schala's magic was inferior, perhaps even defeated? Just like Tonks not being able to change her body in TBP, perhaps Schala coulden't use it out of sorrow.

And while she did have a lot of time to think, the rest of time would be spent weeping. She's kinda alone and sorrowed and filled with thoughts of sorrow, rage and destruction from Lavos.

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« Reply #86 on: January 25, 2006, 08:34:52 pm »
I doubt the fact that it was Schala didn't start the revitalization of Lavos or how much energy she had. It was probably something simple, like the fact that Schala wasn't properly removed from the timeline (timeline overwrite) and Lavos WAS, so their contact caused the Universe to take a cosmic dump known as the Time Devourer.

And the crossing dimensions and reaching out to Serge thing was probably one of Lavos' Gates from the Mammom Machine Incident, instead of whatever power Schala had.

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« Reply #87 on: January 26, 2006, 02:56:36 pm »
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If Schala is as strong as Zapar is implying, Schala should be able to defeat Lavos on her own. She can't. End.



Schala said IN THE GAME that she would use the LAST of her pendant's powers to teleport the party to safety.

If, as is being suggested, the pendant enhanced her powers, then once it was drained, she wouldn't have had nearly the energy to last long against Lavos. Furthermore, it is equally likely that schala actually died or came very close to it when the Ocean Palace collapsed on her. AND inside the DBT, it is possible that magic as it was known in the CT world cannot exist, due to the non-existence of Lavos in its original form.

Sealing a time portal shouldn't really be that difficult. Its more like a forcefield, I think. If the portal is a gateway, then it is possible that a barrier on one end would appear on the other. I think it is the same kind of barrier technology used on Melchior and, perhaps, on the party and the mammon machine.

We do know that over time the pendant can lose its power. This is proven by the fact you have to recharge it at the mammon machine.

It is also said that when Schala communes with the mammon machine, her pendant starts to glow. It is conceivable that using magic and enhancing it with the pendant, as opposed to simply opening seals, drains it much more quickly. Needless to say, activating the mammon machine would have required incredible energy.

Even IF Schala does have near-god like powers when her pendant is fully charged, she is still human, and subject to exhaustion and injury.

To draw any conclusions about her simply because she was unable to stop from becoming part of the Time Devourer is ludicrous.

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« Reply #88 on: January 26, 2006, 03:05:40 pm »
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Sealing a time portal shouldn't really be that difficult. Its more like a forcefield, I think. If the portal is a gateway, then it is possible that a barrier on one end would appear on the other. I think it is the same kind of barrier technology used on Melchior and, perhaps, on the party and the mammon machine.


It does exactly that, as soon as you exit the other side of the Zeal gate it closes with the same triangular shaped box surrounding it. I doubt its the same kind of magic, one is for closing time gates and the other is to preserve a living being in stasus(sp?). Very different things.

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« Reply #89 on: January 26, 2006, 05:15:23 pm »
I doubt VERY much if Zeal developed a specific magic JUST for the purpose of sealing a time portal. Also, I don't think its really different. It seems as though once inside these kind of seals, you don't remember the time in them. Almost as though once inside one of these barriers, time stops. Using that, it would be very possible for the two techniques so be similar.