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« Reply #75 on: September 18, 2005, 12:04:37 pm »
Well, thats not nessisarily true...  With FF6, I wouldn't say there is one, defined main character.  Early, it is Terra.  Then its Locke.  Then Celes.  Then everyone, basically.  Thats part of the beauty of FF6.

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« Reply #76 on: September 18, 2005, 05:40:49 pm »
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Well, thats not nessisarily true...  With FF6, I wouldn't say there is one, defined main character.  Early, it is Terra.  Then its Locke.  Then Celes.  Then everyone, basically.  Thats part of the beauty of FF6.

Meeplelard kinda put this issue to rest on GameFAQs. He's still there, I would imagine, and he's like a one-man Compendium in his thoroughness and logic. Just go post a thread titled "Terra is not the sole main character in FF VI," and he'll be right along. Oh, and may God have mercy on your soul. =P

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« Reply #77 on: September 18, 2005, 05:46:13 pm »
What, is he defending the contrary?

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« Reply #78 on: September 18, 2005, 05:48:45 pm »
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What, is he defending the contrary?

I used to vacillate between the "no main character" and the "You" camps, but his Terra arguments are very convincing, and quite adamant! There's a Terra fanboy for the history books.

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« Reply #79 on: September 18, 2005, 05:53:27 pm »
Well, I would tend to agree that Terra is the main character moreso than others, but I will clarify that I don't mean the others don't get any character development. Why, I wrote a 300 line poem venerating Cyan!

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« Reply #80 on: September 18, 2005, 05:55:13 pm »
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Well, I would tend to agree that Terra is the main character moreso than others, but I will clarify that I don't mean the others don't get any character development. Why, I wrote a 300 line poem venerating Cyan!

Oh, well obviously. Final Fantasy VI has outstanding character development for a surprisingly large number of playable characters.

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« Reply #81 on: September 18, 2005, 06:38:56 pm »
I'd rather not go to a forum for the sole purpose of starting a debate.  I hate it when people do.  Anyway, what points does he bring up?

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« Reply #82 on: September 19, 2005, 12:52:40 am »
Meh, you don't have one main character.  You've got Terra, Celes, Cyan, Locke, Sabin, Edgar, Strago, Relm, and Shadow that get major development time; that's a surprisingly large number.

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« Reply #83 on: September 19, 2005, 02:12:19 pm »
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Meh, you don't have one main character.  You've got Terra, Celes, Cyan, Locke, Sabin, Edgar, Strago, Relm, and Shadow that get major development time; that's a surprisingly large number.

The best thing about Shadow is the whole Shadow <-> Relm <-> Strago thing.  That with the whole "Inn" dream sequences really make him quite the unique character, and unlike MOST other stories out there, you never are told 100% what occured.  You're of course 90%+ sure, but you never have complete certainty, and definitely not the entire story.

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« Reply #84 on: September 21, 2005, 04:09:02 am »
I always thought Tina/Terra was the main character.

1) You start the game playing as her.
2) She's the game's logo. This can obviously be argued because Kain isn't the main character of FFIV.
3) a) Bannon says that she is the world's last glimmer of hope.
3) b) Kefka's ultimate goal is the destruction of hope.
4?) I never tried a CES game of VI, but I've heard from people that Terra shows up at end game regardless of if you recruit her or not. I don't know if you have to talk to her in the WoR once or at all to have this happen...or if it happens at all really...

Mainly because of 3...I mean, in the WoR I used to think that it changes to Celes...but really all it does is open on Celes' scene first. There's no real reason. She just becomes the fetch person to go and get everyone else with as Terra/Tina comes to grips w/her responsibilities to the children and to the world.

And as much as Locke/Lock is a better theif/character than Zidane (and, really, all other theif characters), I never really thought he was the main character...

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« Reply #85 on: September 21, 2005, 04:32:09 am »
Dude, Zidane kicks Locke's ass harder than Reno's whack-a-mole rod.  Unlike Locke, he can actually do some real damage, and unlike Locke, he's actually an engaging character.  I didn't find myself really caring what happened to him.

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« Reply #86 on: September 21, 2005, 04:43:04 am »
1) In the first 3 disks all Zidane is is a goodie-two-shoes for no reason but "It's the right thing to do, boys & girls!". Lame.
2) Unless I'm mistaked, Zidane's limited to a 9999HP damage cap whereas Locke is not.
3) The Locke & Rachel/Pheonix scene in the WoR is one of the most touching scenes in RPG history.

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« Reply #87 on: September 21, 2005, 04:46:46 am »
...you are aware that it's pretty stupid to cite HPs when comparing characters, right?

Zidane's not nearly as much of a goody-goody as he's made out to be.  He's got just about the right blend of hero and anti-hero; which is appropriate, as IX is basically an homage to every other Final Fantasy.

If one says that the Locke/Rachel scene is touching, one must also acknowledge everything with Aeris and Cloud.  VI honestly isn't that great.  It's good, but not great.  The opera is also not particularly of good quality, either; that can be criticized on its artistic merits, since the gameplay mechanics have nothing to do with it.  As far as operas go, it's pretty lame.

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« Reply #88 on: September 21, 2005, 05:14:12 am »
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...you are aware that it's pretty stupid to cite HPs when comparing characters, right?


...you are aware that you brought up their respective damage dealing capabilities, right?

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Unlike Locke, he can actually do some real damage


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Zidane's not nearly as much of a goody-goody as he's made out to be.


All I remember is that he did nothing for any real reason. The only thing we knew about him was that he didn't know anything about his past. And heck, even when we do learn about that...it's not anything super great...

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If one says that the Locke/Rachel scene is touching, one must also acknowledge everything with Aeris and Clod.


No, one does not.

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The opera is also not particularly of good quality, either; that can be criticized on its artistic merits, since the gameplay mechanics have nothing to do with it. As far as operas go, it's pretty lame.


Uh, did someone mention the opera scene? Well, it was a cool scene when the game came out...but I guess you completely disregard that for no real reason, so, w/e...

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« Reply #89 on: September 21, 2005, 05:41:31 am »
I was speaking of relative damage capacities.  HP is a different issue; every game has a different cap.  I'm pretty sure that 9999 is the HP cap in VI, anyway.

Locke/Rachel and Aeris/Cloud are basically the same thing in terms of their behavior towards one another.  

I actually wish they'd rewrite the opera to the same tune, but with different lyrics.  The tune's actually really good, but the lyrics are kind of cliched.

But heh, Cloud is kind of a clod sometimes.