Moon Discrepancy

[Zenning]

Zaper, Harle did NOT jump out of the moon.

Harle was simply standing on a parapet of Viper Manor, with the moon in the background, and she leaped off of the parapet.

After all, she still looked too big in relative size of the moon, to have leaped out of the moon.

After all, if Harle leaped out of the moon, she'd be jumping out into the vacuum of SPACE, not into the sky!

The moon isn't within the atmosphere of the planet, no matter how large the moon looks and thus makes it seem that way!

[Kazuki]

Zaper, Harle did NOT jump out of the moon.

Harle was simply standing on a parapet of Viper Manor, with the moon in the background, and she leaped off of the parapet.

After all, she still looked too big in relative size of the moon, to have leaped out of the moon.

After all, if Harle leaped out of the moon, she'd be jumping out into the vacuum of SPACE, not into the sky!

The moon isn't within the atmosphere of the planet, no matter how large the moon looks and thus makes it seem that way!

This cinema you're talking about...it's the one that plays during Scars of Time, yes? Is there any way of triggering it in-game? I have this image that you can because people here use that cinema as an example, and they're seeing things that I'm not (too fast? Not looking the right place?), and I'm wondering if the one that plays during the intro is just a clip from one in the game.

[Zenning]

Zaper, Harle did NOT jump out of the moon.

Harle was simply standing on a parapet of Viper Manor, with the moon in the background, and she leaped off of the parapet.

After all, she still looked too big in relative size of the moon, to have leaped out of the moon.

After all, if Harle leaped out of the moon, she'd be jumping out into the vacuum of SPACE, not into the sky!

The moon isn't within the atmosphere of the planet, no matter how large the moon looks and thus makes it seem that way!

This cinema you're talking about...it's the one that plays during Scars of Time, yes? Is there any way of triggering it in-game? I have this image that you can because people here use that cinema as an example, and they're seeing things that I'm not (too fast? Not looking the right place?), and I'm wondering if the one that plays during the intro is just a clip from one in the game.

You're not alone; I've never seen this particular cinema scene in game, unless it's supposed to be part of the cinema scene that plays before your first visit to Viper Manor, in which we see the Manor, with the night sky in the background filled with the two moons, and we see a four-winged Dragon (probably the White Sky Dragon) fly by.

Indeed, if it's supposed to play at this part in the game, it gets skipped over when I play my disc on my PS2.

Either way, I only see this scene during the introductory cinematic amalgamation that precedes the title screen and the in-game demo movie.

[Chrono'99]

This cutscene, and the one with Serge doing a Dash&Slash in front of Zappa's house, don't appear in-game.

[Zaperking]

I wasn't literally meaning she was jumping out of the moon. I was meaning that it was a representation that as if she was created then and there, like out of some black hole she was kicked out by the Dragon. That little scene is very powerful anyway, just like many of the other scenes.

[AuraTwilight]

And the difference is...?

[ZeaLitY]

The statement about "once lost, now returned" has not been resolved. I thought about this for awhile, and have a theory. Perhaps originally, there were two moons. When Lavos crashed and the Reptites fell, somehow the second moon was disrupted and disintegrated. However, in the Reptite Dimension, both moons stayed A-OK. That is, until the Time Crash occurred and the red moon was pulled out.

Now, this theory assumes that the Red Moon from the Reptite Dimension is not the Yellow Moon from the Keystone Dimension in composition. If we grant that perhaps they were the same moon in 65000000 B.C., and simple alterations over millions of years changed their appearances, then that theory above is bogus and the quote remains unsolved.

[Namara]

One theory to consider is that the orbital patterns of the red moon made it so that it had always been hidden behind the main moon until Chrono Cross.  That was the theory I first thought of when I read Belthasar's quote.

Another theory is that the red moon was some type of large meteor that was coming at the planet at just the right angle that it got caught up in orbit, thus showing how there could be one moon in the past and 2 in CC.

These are, of course, just scientific speculations and do not take into account the theory that the moon might have been created when Harle was born or brought when Dinopolis was pulled into the dimension.

[Zaperking]

The only thing with that quote is that it revolves around the Dragon God. Since Harle did not exist in the Reptite Dimension, and she is the representation/actual incarnate of it's power, the Black Moon would not have existed in the reptite dimension because Harle was not out. But since Harle was created, and the moon appeared, it may mean that her existance caused it to come to pass.

[AuraTwilight]

But the Yellow Moon exists without the Sky Dragon. -_- It only represents the Dragon like a constellation. It doesn't mean there's any actual supernatural connection.

[Chrono'99]

Yeah, and the stars and moons don't all of a sudden disappear when you defeat the Dragon God.

[Zaperking]

Yeah, and the stars and moons don't all of a sudden disappear when you defeat the Dragon God.

They don't have to though. It's not as if they are those things. The Black Moon may simply be what gives Harle her power, as she is of it. She is after all the 7th and Last Dragon - The Dragon of the Dark Moon. So if shes the dragon of the dark moon, then her power links with it some how. Maybe even the dragons can exist outside the DBT and the TD because they are linked to their constellations and the Earth's power points. Though, since the Dragon God has it's own consciousness, and yet the game says it was created through the Earth's power, that'd mean that the Dragon God is a part of the Planet's energy so it should actually be it. But it's not so yeah :O

[Legend of the Past]

The Dragons don't draw power from the moon-They're not some sort of natural Mammom Machine that draws energy from whatever it's linked too. It just uses powers that are symoblic- The Fire Dragon uses fire ELEMENTS, and has a few of his own symbolic techs, like Fire Breath, which can be generated from within him. The Sky Dragon uses White Elements and celestial based skills, but he doesn't need the sky to survive.

The Dragon God is like your characters-He uses Elemenets and Techs, but sticks to his own color\element because it's his symbol, and he doesn't draw power from anything.

[AuraTwilight]

Plus I doubt even Gaia (Earth) Can draw power from stars in different nebulae. That's above even Lavos' scale of power.

[Zaperking]

Plus I doubt even Gaia (Earth) Can draw power from stars in different nebulae. That's above even Lavos' scale of power.

Maybe the Japanese version is different. I'd want to know what Belthasar said in it as for their representations or whatever :O