Did crono die when porre attacked

[Legend of the Past]

I'm gonna have to go with the theory that the Zealians in the palace had more magic, so they had more to keep, or something. The Zealians in the other towns lost their magic because of their distance from the Mammon Machine. Alot of NPC's compare how Zealian magic is far different from Crono's magic, and how they also say elemental magic is forbidden. Perhaps Lavos' magic requires a connection to the source because it's not natural?

The thing is, Lavos' magic is not magic, per say. It's his energy. People just manipulate things with it. And just like any energy, it flows. Once there is no more source from which energy is turned, people will lose control over it. However, most people would have it stored. Seriously, escaping a falling island in the sky would require some effort. Maybe they used their powers to escape?

[Zaperking]

RD says that their magic was unlocked thanks to the MM, and it would be permanant when unlocked, till death.

[Legend of the Past]

RD says that their magic was unlocked thanks to the MM, and it would be permanant when unlocked, till death.

Can you give me a quote? (Not that I don't believe you, it's just intresting)

[Sentenal]

I'm gonna have to go with the theory that the Zealians in the palace had more magic, so they had more to keep, or something. The Zealians in the other towns lost their magic because of their distance from the Mammon Machine. Alot of NPC's compare how Zealian magic is far different from Crono's magic, and how they also say elemental magic is forbidden. Perhaps Lavos' magic requires a connection to the source because it's not natural?

I agree.  Crono and co had Elemental Magic.  Zealian's eventually forsoke Elemental Magic, and started using "Lavos" Magic, with its power source being the Mammon Machine.  And after the fall, their Lavos magic was gone.  They all still had the potiental to use magic, they just didn't have the aquired ability anymore.

[Legend of the Past]

They all still had the ablility to use magic, they just didn't have the ability anymore.

I think you meant: They all still had the potential to use magic, they just didn't have the ability anymore.

[Sentenal]

They all still had the ablility to use magic, they just didn't have the ability anymore.

I think you meant: They all still had the potential to use magic, they just didn't have the ability anymore.

heh, I hate grammar.  Fixed it.

[V_Translanka]

Actually, that NPC doesn't say that Magic is lost at all...He's just asking how he can survive w/o it...With the negative experiences Zealians now have w/Magic, they no longer wish to use it.

Also, all Magic, even Lavos-based Magic (or w/e) would still be considered Elemental because, like Spekkio says, everything is based on the balance of those four Elemental Magics.

[Zaperking]

Yeah, And the it'd mean Dalton, Zeal and Schala would have elemental magic too if Zealians had a different type.

[Legend of the Past]

Yeah, And the it'd mean Dalton, Zeal and Schala would have elemental magic too if Zealians had a different type.

Well, Dalton does shoot fire at your party...

[AuraTwilight]

Also, all Magic, even Lavos-based Magic (or w/e) would still be considered Elemental because, like Spekkio says, everything is based on the balance of those four Elemental Magics.

Lavos is an alien. Who knows how things work where he's from?

Actually, that NPC doesn't say that Magic is lost at all...He's just asking how he can survive w/o it...

That pretty much implies they lost it.

Yeah, And the it'd mean Dalton, Zeal and Schala would have elemental magic too if Zealians had a different type

Or a more powerful form of Lavoid Magic. Whatever. Zeal is obvious uber-strong Lavoid Magic, Dalton I'm thinking uses the arcane crap that Magus uses. Maybe INVENTED it using Lavos magic so that his arts wouldn't be lost so easily. He was planning to backstab Zeal.

As for Schala, I don't know about you guys, but Schala and Janus always seemed off to me. Maybe their magic is directly from the Entity or something, chosen by fate to help bring down Zeal...or something? I dunno, I'm rambling now. But it always felt to me that Schala would be White Innate. WAIT. Wouldn't Schala be Red Innate if she has the same DNA as Kid? What makes Schala a Red Innate? Nothing in her personality and life implies it except for her being Arbiter, but that's pushing it. (BTW, wouldn't that make Kid an Arbiter if such were true? And wouldn't that mess up everything?)

[Zaperking]

1. I'm pretty sure Kid is Red Innate because shes "hot headed", not to mention growing up with Lucca.
2. Schala was lost in the DBT, so the Flame had no contact with her. Or if not, then Schala passed down the power by letting Serge get near it, and when he did, he became tha arbiter. And then Kid was created.

[SilentMartyr]

Umm, Schala wouldn't be innate anything in Trigger. There were no elements yet. Schala most likely could control ALL the elements, like Magus, or Zeal, or Dalton, or ect. The Zealian said that the groups magic was primitive in comparison to theirs, I think that has to do with the fact that they had planet magic AND that they could only focus on one element without dual and triple techs.

[AuraTwilight]

Yea, because Elements bought at the store determine your genetics. She'd have to be innate Something in Trigger terms atleast. Lightning, Shadow, Fire, Water.

[Zaperking]

Most likely Shadow since her magic is so not primative. She could control anything if she wanted, that's why shes a bright pupil.

[ZeaLitY]

Just hit the books on this one. "Magic" is just a simple term for controlling the basic four forces of the universe; you have to have genetic potential. The Frozen Flame opened this up, and those with predominant ability created Zeal while the others stayed down. Even then, there were countless freeloaders and only a few true innates, like Dalton, Janus, Schala, royalty, Gurus, etc. Everyone else just leeched off the power source. They say it clearly that they stopped using elemental power in order to use Mammon energy. Magic, however, is still magic, no matter what the basic fuel for it.