Did crono die when porre attacked

[V_Translanka]

miguel also seems to know a lot of details about crono's journey, explain that.

Those bastard ghost children blabbed to him.

leena being his daughter and leene being marle's predeccesor, coincidence? i think not, not much in these games are coincidence.

*cough*Glenn*cough*

[Legend of the Past]

Miguel is connected to FATE. The Ultimania guide states that FATE filled Miguel with more knowledge then he could take at once. Maybe she filled him with the thing she knew best, the history of the world? He would then stay at the Dead Sea, knowing that his death is in the very core of history.

And FATE says the "I love you so much" part, and she is speaking to the human race in general. She loves the humans so much, she's their protector, but she's so jealous at them for being alive while she's just a machine she sometimes wants to crush them to bits.

[kazmaka]

And FATE says the "I love you so much" part, and she is speaking to the human race in general. She loves the humans so much, she's their protector, but she's so jealous at them for being alive while she's just a machine she sometimes wants to crush them to bits.

how the hell do u know that  

[DeweyisOverrated]

I believe Crono had a very similar fate to Schala... not necc anything to do with merging with Lavos in some stupid non-time-bound dimension that crosses dmiensions and blahblahblah, but probably just missing somewhere, not dead.

And really, as this discussion is interesting a points, I think we can all agree that none of us will ever guess correctly.  Remember how many "what hapenned to Schala?" fan-fics were out there?  How many of them said that she was merging to form the Time Devourer?  Yeah.  I'm sure (if) when the next Chrono game comes out, the storywriters will come up with some really cool (confusing) plot that explains it.

I'd really like to look back and see what the forums theories were on what hapenned to Schala before Chrono Cross came out.

[V_Translanka]

Or maybe they'll rerelease/remake CC only w/new features and a new ending that'll be the basis branching off point for the next Chrono game

[Legend of the Past]

And FATE says the "I love you so much" part, and she is speaking to the human race in general. She loves the humans so much, she's their protector, but she's so jealous at them for being alive while she's just a machine she sometimes wants to crush them to bits.

how the hell do u know that  

FATE tells Serge before their battle: "Show me what it means to be 'alive'"

Belthasar states she's the defender of mankind.

Crono states she might of wanted to make a race of her own.

And then FATE says the: "I love you so much" bit. It's not that hard to connect those few bits to say: FATE loves mankind, she protects them, but hates them for being alive while she's not. She wants to make a race of herself, a living organism. Talk about highly-advanced AI.

[kazmaka]

okay, you didnt explain how you know it was FATE saying that, but i guess we will never know the real truth unless the makers say so.

[Legend of the Past]

okay, you didnt explain how you know it was FATE saying that, but i guess we will never know the real truth unless the makers say so.

Well, a Maker did say so. =_= Read the Ultmania Guide!

................................................................
  The Love and Hate of a Machine that Dreams of Evolution
................................................................

"I love you so much... That is why I sometimes desire to smash you to
bits!!!" – Voice in the Dead Sea (= FATE)

While continuously protecting humanity, there was deep love and ??on top
that??,  deep envy and hatred. The feelings FATE had for the humans was
complicated. After it acquired an incarnation [not sure?] that possesses a
human body, the feelings of the person of the original body held, inter-mixes
with the feeling of the already complicated FATE, as a result, the disorder
further intensifies, gradually leading to corruption. After that, the
destruction activities were manifestations of this complicated feeling. The
statement above [the "I love you so much..." statement], was said by FATE
when she had the Dead Sea destroyed, and it was directed to the entire human
race more than Serge.

http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/chrono_cross_ultimania_translations_a.txt

[V_Translanka]

Kato said that? And really...how trustworthy has Ultimania proven in the past...?

[Legend of the Past]

Kato said that? And really...how trustworthy has Ultimania proven in the past...?

Not Kato, but I get the feeling the Ultimania was done in conjunction with Kato, so I guess it is trustworthy. It has never proven trustworthy for the sole reason no one has ever proved that. But the FATE bit seemes to make sense to me. With so much knowledge of FATE's love for mankind and the will to be alive, it makes sense to me she would say: "I love you so much... And that is why I sometimes want to crush to bits."

[DeweyisOverrated]

It makes perfect sense.  I mean, OJ said that if he killed his wife, it would be only because he loved her so much.  So, simply put:

OJ Simpson = FATE
Nicole = Humanity

[Sentenal]

okay, you didnt explain how you know it was FATE saying that, but i guess we will never know the real truth unless the makers say so.

How do you know Kid says anything?  How do you know Miguel says anything?

And if Miguel was Crono, where was the magic?  Elements, which is what he used, are NOT magic.

[kazmaka]

How do you know Kid says anything?  How do you know Miguel says anything?

And if Miguel was Crono, where was the magic?  Elements, which is what he used, are NOT magic.

kid doesnt say anything, miguel says something because it shows his head when he speaks, the box is next to marle and in the same position it is when you presume its marle speaking.
is it just me, or would you not call their "innate elements" magic?
but anyway, i'd like to go with the idea that seeing as spekkio taught them magic for their quest to destroy lavos, after they destroyed it they forget/unlearnt this magic, maybe spekkio disapeared when lavos was killed and took his magic along with him, do we know what power source this magic came from? the zealians used lavos, if they too used lavos this would mean they would loose their magic. theres loads of reasons really.

[Legend of the Past]

FATE has no face. She's a computer, damnit. Besides, she wasn't quiet present there, but being the Entity she is, she could probably speak through the dimensions.

Besides, you don't see the Dragon God's face in Terra Tower. But it's him speaking. So meh.

[kazmaka]

huh? wat are ya talking about?