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« on: October 09, 2005, 02:26:31 am »
Someone please explain to me how people are so stupid as to believe that the Earth is flat:
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm
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Now imagine, if only for the sake of argument, that the person on top and the person on bottom can both manage to remain attracted to the ground "below" them. What would happen if the person on one side decided to visit the other? Since the man at the North Pole has a different idea of what is down and up (and in fact experiences an opposite pull from the Earth's gravity) than the person at the South Pole does, when the denizen of the frozen Arctic visits his Antarctic counterpart, they will experience gravitational pulls exactly opposite of each other! The human from the North Pole will "fall up", never returning to the ground, and will continue falling forever into the deep void of outer space!

Looking at the feasibility of Efimovich's teachings cannot remain limited to examining small, solid objects such as human beings. A true analysis of his work must incorporate natural phenomena and how their existence is either explained or made difficult by each of the theories. In the next argument against the "round-Earth" theory, we will be analyzing the existence of two extremely commonplace (yet altogether unfeasible under the ramifications of having a round planet) non-solids: the atmosphere and the oceans.

What the hell is he talking about?
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Water. Regardless of which train of thought you follow, it covers over seventy-five percent of our planet's surface. And the atmosphere, also a fluid, covers the entire surface. The difference is why. While flat-Earthers know that the ocean is really just a large bowl, (with great sheets of ice around the edges to hold the ocean back), and the atmosphere is contained by a large dome, the backwards "round-Earth" way of thinking would have you believe that all those trillions of gallons of water and air just "stick" to the planet's surface.

HAHAHAHAHA!
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Once again, picture in your mind a round world. Now imagine that there are two people on this world, one at each pole. For the person at the top of the world, (the North Pole), gravity is pulling him down, towards the South Pole. But for the person at the South Pole, shouldn't gravity pull him down as well? What keeps our person at the South Pole from falling completely off the face of the "globe"?

Gravity pull in from the middle
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http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm
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This is hardly surprising. As neighbors, the ancient Hebrews had the Egyptians to the southwest and the Babylonians to the northeast. Both civilizations had flat-earth cosmologies. The Biblical cosmology closely parallels the Sumero-Babylonian cosmology, and it may also draw upon Egyptian cosmology.

The Babylonian universe was shaped like a modern domed stadium. The Babylonians considered the earth essentially flat, with a continental mass surrounded by ocean. The vault of the sky was a physical object resting upon the ocean's waters (and perhaps also upon pillars). Sweet (salt-free) waters below the Earth sometimes manifest themselves as springs. The Egyptian universe was also enclosed, but it was rectangular instead of round. Indeed, it was shaped much like an old-fashioned steamer trunk. (The Egyptians pictured the goddess Nut stretched across the sky as the enclosing dome.) What was the Hebrew view of the universe?

Its something called relgion Plus, the Babylonians found out the Earth was round from a little something called THE MOON
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Disregarding the dome, the essential flatness of the earth's surface is required by verses like Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.” If the earth were flat, a sufficiently tall tree would be visible to “the earth's farthest bounds,” but this is impossible on a spherical earth. Likewise, in describing the temptation of Jesus by Satan, Matthew 4:8 says, “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.” Obviously, this would be possible only if the earth were flat. The same is true of Revelation 1:7: “Behold, he is coming with the clouds! Every eye shall see him...”

These people have obviously never heard of symbolism and metaphors
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http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=556
The thread is just stupid:
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Ok just a few things i dont understand about your theory

First of all if the Earth was flat then why would people be covering up that fact what is the need for the huge conspiracy.

How do you discredit all the evidance of the earth being round such as the thousands of people on round the world cruises satilites in space the moon landing the fact that all matter naturally wants to form a sphere (eg. when you throw water into the air it makes an elongated sphere and not a disc)

in the light of all this evidance why do you chose to believe that its all a huge conspiracy.

I highly susspect this is a hoax by the way


They never answered his questions...
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the Earth is not flat. the Earth is a sphere, except we live inside it. sheesh, haven't you people played Halo? it's like that, except in a three-demensional form. you would ask about the "ships disappearing over the horizon" argument, but that is because gravity is inverted inside the sphere, and therefore, it would bend light as if we were on the outside. the celestial bodies we see as the Sun, Moon, Stars, Planets, etc. are actually suspended inside the empty space of the sphere. "Space" is simply the empty space inside the sphere. it's simple.

i can refute ANY counter argument because i can simply tell you "the laws of Physics aren't what they are, the government has been telling you lies" or "the laws of ANYTHING aren't what they are..." by doing this, i can effectively eliminate any chance for a fair, scientifical discussion of the issue, thus eliminating any chance that i can be "proven wrong". then again, "science" is just one big lie started by the government, so there's no need for a scientifical discussion of the issue!

oh yeah, colors are lies too. what you think is red is actually blue, and green is really brown. the government has been telling you lies, so there's no way for you to prove me wrong.

Asia doesn't exist (see my post in the "China does not exist" thread), and...oh yeah, i was joking about the inverted-sphere; the Earth is actually flat. you can't prove me wrong because by introducing the consipracy argument, i have already tipped the scales in favor of my side of the debate...wait, what debate?

TEST TO SEE IF YOU'RE A FLAT-EARTHER: you read this post and didn't laugh.


And again, no answers to the post below:
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I have a few of questions for flat earthers: first off, how come in the artic circle it will be day light for months on end while the rest of the world's day light stays normal? second, if all the other planets in the solar system are spherical including the planets closer to the sun, why wouldn't the earth be the same? third, people have said if the earth was round the water should drip off the edge, however Jupiter is made up completly of gas (as evidenced by the by the holes punched through it by meteors) so why doesn't the gas just float away? and yes I know Jupiter is round because it rotates so fast I can actualy see it rotate through my telescope (a full rotation takes about ten hours), and I can also watch Jupiter and saturns moons orbit the planets. I am not trying to say that a flat earth isn't possible, just wondering if some one could explain all this to me.

NOW THIS JUST R0X0RS! [below]:
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nzmose wrote:
I honestly get tired having to explain why the earth is so obviously flat all of
time to people.

As if those people could not simply read their bible!

The way I usually finally get through to them is to simply point out that the
map in the glove department of their car is flat, have you ever looked at a
map! It shows very plainly that the earth is quite flat.

But some people continue to carry on with their crazy notions.


Xargon wrote:

I honestly get tired having to explain why the earth is so obviously round all of
time to people.

As if those people could not simply read their geography or, physics books! (

(You know, books about things that can be proven, and are accepted by most ntelligent people, and not those just those trying to fill a void in their lives)

The way I usually finally get through to them is to simply point out that the
globe in a classroom is round, have you ever looked at a
globe! It shows very plainly that the earth is quite round.



(ROUND MAPS DON"T FIT IN GLOVE COMPARTMENTS!)

But some people continue to carry on with their crazy notions.


Now if you are a Flat Earth head please answer the questions that weren't answered above, or just explain to me, what the hell are you thinking?

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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2005, 01:31:35 pm »
It's a joke site. Like the Time Cube.

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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2005, 04:36:25 pm »
Yeah, this is seriously a bigger joke than Britney Spears.

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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2005, 06:01:54 pm »
Neither Time Cube nor the Flat Earth Society are a joke. The TC man takes himself very seriously, and many people honestly do subscribe to a flat-Earth worldview. It's no different a delusion, really, than having a group imaginary friend named Jesus or believing that the real world is merely a staging ground for some eternal afterlife, except that FES and TC are outside of the mainstream and therefore are socially acceptable targets of ridicule. It doesn't matter if these are easily disproved by physical evidence; physical evidence is not the gold standard of conviction for many people.

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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2005, 06:04:14 pm »
Could somebody provide a link to the Time Cube? I would like to see this joke.

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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2005, 06:05:02 pm »
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Could somebody provide a link to the Time Cube? I would like to see this joke.

You might try Google next time:
http://www.timecube.com/

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2005, 06:12:51 pm »
The FES guy admitted to it being a joke. It doesn't matter if other people actually believed his bullshit, because he still said it was a joke.

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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2005, 10:10:04 pm »
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God damn it what the fuck is that shit? The is some shitty ass shit right there!

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You might try Google next time: http://www.timecube.com/


I would but I'm tired of getting Gay man porn sites


If you're that concerned, you could put up a parental control of some sort...and yes, I cannot see how "time cube" would bring up any porn =P.

Can anybody tell us what on earth has happened to CE? There haven't been any updates since the demo came out...

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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2005, 10:35:42 pm »
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If you're that concerned, you could put up a parental control of some sort...and yes, I cannot see how "time cube" would bring up any porn =P.


But that would remove my freedom! Plus you try typing in time or cube into google! :x

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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2005, 01:17:24 am »
My current schedule with the Compendium is

a. Finish encyclopedia
b. Finish a few good articles
c. Kick back.

I'm calling off my own personal muckrake of everything in the analysis forums for the theory encyclopedia. You guys can handle that.

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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2005, 08:36:20 pm »
If I might direct your attention here, I have made a post about Lavos's mental abilities in the analysis section.

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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2005, 08:39:08 pm »
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If I might direct your attention here, I have made a post about Lavos's mental abilities in the analysis section.

Ah, yes, I saw that yesterday! I didn't want to respond right away because, as usual, you make some excellent points. So I've been mulling it over before committing myself to a reply. I do plan to have at it soon enough.

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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2005, 09:56:27 pm »
OK, take your time.

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2005, 12:21:52 am »
I'm just going to pop in here to argue one point.

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Now, why was your advice not accepted? Because, quite simply, you believe in a theory. Now, theories are called theories because they have little scientific backing.


Actually, in the scientific world, a "Theory" is something that has a lot of scientific backing. Generally speaking, a Theory has a great deal of evidence supporting it, and very little--usually none--disproving it. (See: Theory of Relativity, Theory of Evolution, Quantum Theory, Atomic Theory).

Something that has a little scientific data backing it, but has not yet been tested (or cannot be tested), is called a Hypothesis. Generally speaking, a hypothesis is made to fit all data already available. Even scientists slip up sometimes; for instance, "Stockholm Theory" (related to Quantum Physics) is actually a hypothesis, as we've not yet figured out a way to test it.

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2005, 12:32:03 am »
Bah, indeed I have worded it poorly.

I should have mentioned that it is a theory because it doesn't have that "ultimate truth" to make it a fact.