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« Reply #105 on: October 26, 2005, 06:56:30 pm »
Also, Lucca is seen walking with a "baby" Robo when she finds Kid. And Robo had a girlfriend, and I'm sure Atropos would make a fuss XD

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STOP KILLING ROBO'S MEMORY! ALL OF YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK HE'S NOT SPECIAL.


WE'RE killing his memory? Atleast we're not the ones trying to imply that Lucca literally does so.

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As for Epoch, it was dismantled. DISMANTLED! And there's no evidence that she ever went into the future.


Not really. They said they were going to, but then they had to go save Crono's mom and crap. Even if they did, Lucca could clearly build another. She made the Gate Key, the Telepod (that functions as a time machine on two occassions) She helped work on FATE, and she made an incomplete Time Egg (the only thing that can fux0r the laws of time-space)

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« Reply #106 on: October 26, 2005, 07:18:50 pm »
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Even if they did, Lucca could clearly build another. She made the Gate Key, the Telepod (that functions as a time machine on two occassions) She helped work on FATE, and she made an incomplete Time Egg (the only thing that can fux0r the laws of time-space)

The Gate Key is just a key, not the gate. The Gates were created by the Entity not Lucca (except maybe the Red one, but it's a special stuff which only happened once).
The Telepod worked because an Entity Gate already existed.
Lucca didn't work on FATE.
Lucca made an incomplete Time Egg, not one that works.

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« Reply #107 on: October 26, 2005, 07:20:56 pm »
Lucca did work on FATE.  The Promethius Circuit was a part of FATE, and it was designed to be a part of FATE.  And Lucca worked on that.  Its a simple if A=B, and B=C, then A=C.  Lucca worked on the Promethius Circuit.  The Promethius Circuit is part of FATE.  So therefore, Lucca worked on FATE.

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« Reply #108 on: October 26, 2005, 07:25:43 pm »
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Lynx:
   Who would have thought that
   such a small bug, a '"traitor,"'
   could exist inside of FATE?
  That hidden circuit was based
   on the initial Ashtear model
   circuit board, with extra logic
   added by another scientist.

   FATE itself did not realize
   that this circuit was present
   within the core of its system.
   Or, more correctly...
   ...the circuit was programmed
   so that the moment FATE did
   detect it, it would erase all
   record of its detection.

Lynx:
   Dr. Lucca Ashtear...
   Unbelievably intelligent,
   and incredibly enthusiastic.
   You might even go so far as
   to call her a mad scientist.
  Of course I don't believe
   it was Lucca alone that
   devised this plan.
   I'm sure the first curator
   of this research center,
   a man named Belthasar,
   had a hand in it, too.

1/ Lucca didn't work on FATE. FATE was made by some random scientists upgrading the old Mother Brain computer.

2/ Lucca didn't even made the Prometheus Circuit alone, she only made some "initial model circuit board". Belthasar was the one who actually made what we call the Prometheus Circuit.

Lucca's contribution is small. Moreover, Lynx doesn't actually know anything about Project Kid, so he's probably minimizing Belthasar's role in his speech.

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« Reply #109 on: October 26, 2005, 07:40:00 pm »
Lucca worked on the Promethius Circuit.  The Promethius Circuit is part of FATE.  Therefore, Lucca worked on FATE.  Its simple logic.

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« Reply #110 on: October 26, 2005, 07:52:22 pm »
Not that Lucca is limited to her workings on the Prometheus circuit, which is a part of FATE, or anything.

It's fairly simple logic.

What is more amusing is that you have contradicted yourself. At first, you state she has played no hand, and now you state that she played a small role...?

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« Reply #111 on: October 26, 2005, 07:59:09 pm »
The point is that:

a.) she made the Prometheus circuit.

b.) It says that Belthasar played a hand in the ordeal, though it never states which part of the situation. Stating it to be the Prometheus circuit is an assumption.

c.) By simple logic, she created the Prometheus circuit. The Prometheus circuit is a part of FATE as much as my appendix is a part of my body.

Not that Lucca is necessarily limited to what she did with the Prometheus circuit. After all, an advanced computer from 2400 A.D. is calling her a scientific marvel.

EDIT: Oh! Deleted your post, I see.

Smooth.

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« Reply #112 on: October 26, 2005, 08:02:38 pm »
I'm speaking about Lucca's role in Project Kid. Lucca played no hand in making the actual FATE computer. She only contributed in making a random model board stuff which more than one thousands years later would be expanded by Belthasar to make the Prometheus Circuit. Thus Lucca played a small role in Project Kid, but didn't actually work on FATE.

("EDIT": I deleted my post and made a new one instead of editing the initial post, to prevent people from replying the stuff before I had finished rephrasing.)

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« Reply #113 on: October 26, 2005, 08:11:43 pm »
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I'm speaking about Lucca's role in Project Kid. Lucca played no hand in making the actual FATE computer. She only contributed in making a random model board stuff which one millenium later would be expanded by Belthasar to make the Prometheus Circuit. Thus Lucca played a small role in Project Kid, but didn't actually work on FATE.


... I still don't see what you base this conclusion on. FATE was potentially created well before Project Kid was thought up. It's very doubtful that Belthasar knew of Schala's fate until Chronopolis was fully operational.

I don't see why it is you continue to argue against this: Lucca was active during FATE's creation. Lucca propagated the Prometheus circuit, which was implemented into FATE. Thus, it was a part of FATE. Now, we know she made the Prometheus circuit, which we KNOW is a part of the FATE computer complex. We do not know if she worked on more than the Prometheus circuit.  However, it stands to reason that she may have worked on more than the Prometheus circuit.

There is no arguing that she created the Prometheus circuit, a part of the FATE complex.

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« Reply #114 on: October 26, 2005, 10:25:30 pm »
From the quote, it looks like Prometheus was designed using Lucca's as an example, meaning she only indirectly worked on Prometheus...but that's not to say she didn't somehow work on it in other ways directly.

Then again I'm not sure how she worked on it directly unless she did in fact go forward in time and work with them in the future, which not only doesn't make sense, but I've already been yelled at for suggesting this o_O

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« Reply #115 on: October 26, 2005, 10:45:27 pm »
What exactly made FATE go "Maverick," anyway, that Lucca would even need to create a safeguard?

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« Reply #116 on: October 26, 2005, 10:51:42 pm »
A precaution.

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« Reply #117 on: October 26, 2005, 10:55:56 pm »
I tend to think the circuitry she did in an attempt to copy Robo, like the little purple robot in the PSX CT ending movie, was just that. She had no intent of making something that would be used in such a grand scheme.

Then Belthasar took that and went from there. And not just as a precaution, as part of Project Kid, since he knew what was up and why everything would be needed where it was and stuff.

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« Reply #118 on: October 26, 2005, 11:04:31 pm »
If it was an upgraded version of the Mother Brain circuit (AKA The psychotic mastermind responsible for killing a ton of humans in 2300 A.D.), then I'd be nervous too. Enough to put a precaution :roll: .

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« Reply #119 on: October 27, 2005, 01:11:33 am »
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That hidden circuit was based
   on the initial Ashtear model
   circuit board, with extra logic
   added by another scientist.


Okay, there.  We know that Lucca wasn't the sole creator of the Prometheus Circuit, but we don't know who else actually had a hand in the engineering of the thing.

On another note, does that mean that the Prometheus circuit cannot be Robo? Of course, Lucca's contribution was the original circuit, so it's entirely possible that the "extra logic" is what makes it Robo. Further discussion may be in order here.

Oh yeah, this is my first post in quite a while. So, how has everything been?