Saving Schala After-Effects

[ker-plop]

I played these two games years ago, but I always had a burning question...  When Schala is freed from Lavos's grip, does that change history again?  What aspects did her assimilation control?

I'm mostly trying to put my mind at ease as to whether or not Crono, Marle and Lucca would still bite it.  I love those guys.

[Sentenal]

What does Schala getting freed from Lavos have to do with Crono, Marle and Lucca's fate?

[Mystik3eb]

All the game addresses as far as changes made with Schala being saved, is that the split dimensions are merged together and made one somehow, which makes it seem more like it became Serge's Home dimension...or maybe an interesting combination of both? Apparently everyone will forget what happened (except Kid, whether she joined with Schala to become one or not is still unknown). That's an interesting topic.

...but anyway, it wouldn't change what had happened before the point in time when they had left to the DBT (there, I got the acronym right this time!), freed Schala, and came back. This means that whatever had happened to our heroes before the start of CC would remain unchanged.

[GrayLensman]

I played these two games years ago, but I always had a burning question...  When Schala is freed from Lavos's grip, does that change history again?  What aspects did her assimilation control?

I'm mostly trying to put my mind at ease as to whether or not Crono, Marle and Lucca would still bite it.  I love those guys.

The circumstances of Crono and Marle's disappearance are completely unknown.  If it was related to Project Kid or the Time Devourer, Crono and Marle may still be around in the new timeline.

Consider that the Time Devourer exists in the Darkness Beyond Time.  The destruction of the TD did not occur at any particular time on Earth, and would have caused changes to the entire time-line.  My interpretation of the aftermath of Chrono Cross is as follows.

• From the perspective of the time-line, once Serge defeats the Time Devourer, it is as if it never existed.
• When Belthasar warps from Zeal to the new timeline, he does not discover that Schala had been absorbed by the TD, and he does not start Project Kid.
• In 2400 AD, FATE and Chronopolis were never built, the Frozen Flame lays dead on the bottom of the ocean, and the counter-time experiment does not take place.
• Lavos does not create a temporal distortion connecting Chronopolis to 10,000 years in the past, and the planet does not do the same for Dinopolis from the Reptite dimension.
• In 7600 BC, Chronopolis and Dinopolis do not fight and the Dragon God is not split into six parts by FATE and absorbed by the Time Devourer.
• Because the temporal distortion surrounding Chronopolis acts like a GATE, the Chronopolis residents appear in the Sea of Eden due to TTI and terraform and colonize El Nido as if FATE and Chronopolis still existed.  The same goes for Dinopolis.  In 2400 AD, the people who would have worked at Chronopolis mysteriously dissappear due to Time Bastard.
• The Records of FATE never work, except perhaps according to preprogrammed instructions.  Elements may or may not be developed.
• Serge is born in 1003 AD.
• Schala does not create Kid, but she may appear in 1004 AD due to TTI.
• Whatever happened to Guardia in 1005 AD hopefully doesn't occur.
• In 1006 AD, Schala does not create a magnetic storm, and Serge does not go to Chronopolis.  Wazuki does not become Lynx and Miguel is not imprisoned in the Dead Sea.
• In 1010 AD, Wazuki does not attack Serge and he does not drown.  The dimensional split does not occur.
• In 1015 AD, Lynx does not attack Lucca's Orphanage (if it exists) or abduct Lucca.
• In 1020 AD, the new version of Serge disappears due to Time Bastard.  The original version of Serge (protected by TTI from warping to the DBT) is sent to Opassa Beach by Schala.  Serge's dimension crossing adventure does not occur.  What happens to Schala and/or Kid is anyone's guess.[/list:u]

[ker-plop]

Yeah, that's what I just thought.  I mean, FATE is the one that helped Porre become a military, right?  So...  No FATE, no military, no takeover, no Lynx, no dead cool characters.

[Sentenal]

FATE did not help Porre.  FATE wanted to try and preserve history for the most part to ensure its continued existance, and aiding Porre to do something that did not happen originally, like conquering Guardia, would have been a big, big change in history, and jepordise its purpose.  Its logical that something else effected Porre's rise to power.  It's agianst FATE's pupose to aid in its own possible destruction.

[ker-plop]

Well, I recall Grobyc's surprise at finding a weapon that Porre was supposedly designing inside Chronopolis.  What could that mean, do you think?  Porre was a harbor town, and they probably reached El Nido first...  Maybe with trade and such, that's how they became so strong.

[Kazuki]

Well, I recall Grobyc's surprise at finding a weapon that Porre was supposedly designing inside Chronopolis.  What could that mean, do you think?  Porre was a harbor town, and they probably reached El Nido first...  Maybe with trade and such, that's how they became so strong.

Norris's quote may shed some light...

Norris:
   This is...!
   StrongArm!

Norris:
   I thought I destroyed
   it when I caused the
   explosion in the lab...
   In any case, the only
   one who can operate
   this is Grobyc.

Norris:
   I must bring
   Grobyc here.

[Chrono'99]

There's this topic about Grobyc's StrongArm.

[Zaperking]

I don't think anyone truely knows if Guardia was overtaken in the Lavos time line or not. It could have maybe like in 1500AD for all we know, and that's how a central regime happened anyway since there is no Guardia Dome, the continents or areas still have their names (Director says area of Guardia, Medina, Porre etc. being under attack).
BTW, so until 2400AD and only in the time crashed timeline did Porre over take? I would have thought that even before then, Porre could have over taken, maybe that's why FATE didn't want to help out because a few more things would have been changed, even though FATE lets the Porreans in and out of El Nido.

[Sentenal]

FATE tries to keep history from being drastically changed, not keeping it from being slightly changed.  Hell, its mere presence in the past is a change in itself.  Letting Porreans in and out isn't that big of a change.

From what I've read, Zeality believes that the fall of Guardia must have taken place in both Keystone-1 and Keystone-2 timelines.  He backs it up with what I said above, FATE trying to keep history unchanged for the most part, to ensure its existance.  Thinking Porre rose because of El Nideo, Elements, and Trade is a good theory, but I havn't seen anything to counter FATE not stepping in to prevent such a large change in time such as the most powerful country on the planet being overthrown.  Well, maybe not most powerful, but you get the idea.

[ker-plop]

I suppose, but I still think that totalling Lavos/saving Schala did something to restore Guardia (at that point in history, anyway).  In the ending when Kid gets the flame and takes over Viper Manor, she mentions going in to take over Guardia (not Porre).

[Sentenal]

I've never actually gotten that ending, but according to the encylcepedia here on the compendium...

She wishes herself Lord of El Nido, and creates the Acacia Empire by vowing to conquer the Kingdom of Guardia, and then Porre.

I don't see any posiblity for Guardia being saved with the context of Trigger and Cross as of now.  Maybe with another game, but without it, I don't see a way.

And although Guardia did fall to Porre, it is still somewhat soverign.  Porre still beat it, however.  My guess is that Guardia is now torn by Civil War, between rebels and the Porre installed government.

[ker-plop]

Well, I think she only mentions Guardia.  Whatever the case, since Crono and Marle appear as ghosts, they died somehow.  I'm just trying to deduce if they were saved by rescuing Schala.

[Mystik3eb]

This is all assuming Porre defeated Guardia. I personally believe it was all done by one man, the same man who took the Masamune, corrupted it, and put it either in Denadoro or Divine Dragon Falls, whichever you believe it was found in.