The Sea of Eden in Home World

[Sentenal]

But that goes against everything we've been saying about Home World splitting off completely, including the past, meaning it WOULDN'T have the same past. When the dimensions split, they split.

I think if they were to travel back, they'd probably end up in the End of Time *shrug*

How does that go against it?  The timeline split off.  It had to split from somewhere, and that was 1010.  Home wasn't severed from Another.

This is how I always have seen it, and have yet to see anything to make me see otherwise:

With the main line being Another, and the straying one being Home.

[Mystik3eb]

Well, Schala already demonstrated that one can go through time to enter different dimensions. Same with the End of Time, since that in itself is more like a DBT type of place.

Schala is a free-will being based in the DBT. A time machine doesn't cross dimensions. Maybe something like that could be built, though, something based on FATEs ability to see multiple dimensions...eh?

But that goes against everything we've been saying about Home World splitting off completely, including the past, meaning it WOULDN'T have the same past. When the dimensions split, they split.

How does that go against it?  The timeline split off.  It had to split from somewhere, and that was 1010.  Home wasn't severed from Another.

This is how I always have seen it, and have yet to see anything to make me see otherwise:

With the main line being Another, and the straying one being Home.

Yea I see that. But I'm seeing something more like this:

[Sentenal]

Okay then, what was Home World created off of?  Your idea is that its an entirely different universe parallel to Another that was created in 1010.  Where did all that matter come from?  If it split from the normal timeline, the matter that makes up Home would have come from what was always there, just flowed in a different path.

[Mystik3eb]

I don't think any of us has any idea what constitues the idea of a dimension, so who are we to say what they are made up of, what they need to begin and such? As far as we know, any dimension doesn't have a beginning or end. Really, this makes Home a truly unique dimension, totally different from all others, wherein it HAS a beginning.

Now, CT argues with the theory of there being no beginning or end with the idea of the End of Time. I see the End of Time as being also the Beginning of Time, where there is nothing before the Beginning, and nothing after the End.

Take this into account with Home. And that's my reasoning.

Besides, why else would Lavos be able to survive simply because Serge is alive? What's he gonna do, go to the PD, kill Crono and Co, and make it so Lavos actually lived, thereby ridding the world of the new future and Chronopolis, thereby ridding the world of El Nido and Serge's birth?

Wow...I feel smart...or really stupid >_<

[Zaperking]

Schala is a free-will being based in the DBT. A time machine doesn't cross dimensions. Maybe something like that could be built, though, something based on FATEs ability to see multiple dimensions...eh?

FATE can traverse dimensions, but not as easily as Serge can. And it's not even using the flame. Otherwise FATE wouldn't have been able to gather information, send things for them to do, but overally can't totally control the people of Home.

And I'm using Schala as an example because of this:
AS she fell, she cast her hand into time and it only affected Another World. Why not RD or the Reptite dimension? And she wasn't even in the DBT at the time, she was falling through the gate.

[Sentenal]

Matter cannot just be created.  It's impossible for a dimension to just be created out of nothing.

Lavos getting killed in the Pocket dimension erases Lavos from history; when he is in the pocket dimension.  When Lavos destroyed Zeal, Lavos emerged from the PD.  Thats why Zeal isn't around anymore in any dimension.  When Lavos attacked in 1999, he emerged from the PD, before being attakced by Crono and Co, and retreating back in.  So basically, Lavos will always emerge in 1999, just that in Another, Crono shows up to kill him.

[Mystik3eb]

Matter cannot just be created.  It's impossible for a dimension to just be created out of nothing.

Then where does all the matter that exists in the other dimensions come from when they "begin"?

Lavos getting killed in the Pocket dimension erases Lavos from history; when he is in the pocket dimension.  When Lavos destroyed Zeal, Lavos emerged from the PD.  Thats why Zeal isn't around anymore in any dimension.  When Lavos attacked in 1999, he emerged from the PD, before being attakced by Crono and Co, and retreating back in.  So basically, Lavos will always emerge in 1999, just that in Another, Crono shows up to kill him.

If this was the case, what makes Another different from Home besides Serge not being alive, especially since they both came from the same history?

[Sentenal]

Another is the original dimension...

And the matter for other dimensions comes from the dimension they split from, it just flows differently.  The matter for the original dimension was there since the begining of time, so basically it was always there.

[Mystik3eb]

Another is the original dimension...

Yes, but Home is exactly the same, except for Serge being alive. I'm trying to figure out what Serge being alive could've done to prevent Crono from killing Lavos.

And the matter for other dimensions comes from the dimension they split from, it just flows differently.  The matter for the original dimension was there since the begining of time, so basically it was always there.

Eh...I'm still not convinced. The Lavos matter still doesn't make sense with all this. Your theory can only be true if we can figure out why Serge being alive changed it so Crono didn't fight Lavos. Gah there's just no final answer out there...yet.

[Sentenal]

Because there is only one Crono to now fight a Lavos in two separate dimensions, and time traveling is not dimensional traveling.

[Mystik3eb]

Because there is only one Crono to now fight a Lavos in two separate dimensions, and time traveling is not dimensional traveling.

...how the hell do you do that? With one, simple sentence, you make perfect sense out of a question that boggles the mind of others who spend countless hours putting wrinkles in their foreheads trying to figure out the answer.

...now I'll ask: has your answer been said before? If so, then I'll feel really stupid >_<

[Zaperking]

Because there is only one Crono to now fight a Lavos in two separate dimensions, and time traveling is not dimensional traveling.

I have to disagree. This is going to be hard, but you'll see.

Alright. So before the time crash, when Crono and co defeated Lavos, the moment that they do that, doesn't that automatically mean that when they go back, they arrive in the post-timecrash world, without knowing? But then doesn't that mean that in the world of the Time-crash, when they do get to 1000AD from 7600BC, Crono and co travel past 1010AD: That means they'd be traveling past the date of 1010AD, and because the dimensions split, so does time with it. Crono and Co should theoretically be travelling in time in both dimension.

BTW, The Dead Sea didn't fully form in 1010AD. FATE implies that it took a while for everything to merge together. Not just BAM! ITS 1010AD AND THE DEAD SEA HAS BEEN THAT WAY FOR ALL ETERNITY.

[Mystik3eb]

Alright. So before the time crash, when Crono and co defeated Lavos, the moment that they do that, doesn't that automatically mean that when they go back, they arrive in the post-timecrash world, without knowing? But then doesn't that mean that in the world of the Time-crash, when they do get to 1000AD from 7600BC, Crono and co travel past 1010AD: That means they'd be traveling past the date of 1010AD, and because the dimensions split, so does time with it. Crono and Co should theoretically be travelling in time in both dimension.

WHAT?!?! When were they in 7600 BC, and when did they travel past 1010 AD, especially if they get to 1000 AD from a BC date? I don't see much sense in this post, but you may be onto something. Consider re-wording it.

BTW, The Dead Sea didn't fully form in 1010AD. FATE implies that it took a while for everything to merge together. Not just BAM! ITS 1010AD AND THE DEAD SEA HAS BEEN THAT WAY FOR ALL ETERNITY.

Where does FATE imply that? Got a quote?

[Zaperking]

WHAT?!?! When were they in 7600 BC, and when did they travel past 1010 AD, especially if they get to 1000 AD from a BC date? I don't see much sense in this post, but you may be onto something. Consider re-wording it.

See, I said you wouldn't understand. I'm to ask this: The moment that the future is saved and Crono and Co arrive in 1000AD, wouldn't they be arriving in an altered timeline from where they left? The time crash should have already passed, or shouldn't have it? Because what would have happened to the Crono and co who left 1000AD in the time crashed time line? The moment that the Epoch travels past 1010, the epoch and Crono and co should all be split.

Where does FATE imply that? Got a quote?

It's either FATE, Radius talking with Norris or Miguel. That's what I can vaugly remember from the script. That explains why the building is 2400AD, because half of Chronopolis in Home world started being condenced with the rest of the ruined future.

[Mystik3eb]

WHAT?!?! When were they in 7600 BC, and when did they travel past 1010 AD, especially if they get to 1000 AD from a BC date? I don't see much sense in this post, but you may be onto something. Consider re-wording it.

See, I said you wouldn't understand. I'm to ask this: The moment that the future is saved and Crono and Co arrive in 1000AD, wouldn't they be arriving in an altered timeline from where they left? The time crash should have already passed, or shouldn't have it? Because what would have happened to the Crono and co who left 1000AD in the time crashed time line? The moment that the Epoch travels past 1010, the epoch and Crono and co should all be split.

Ok, but why would they travel past 1010 AD after going home and defeating Lavos? Unless you're talking about the ending where Lucca goes and gets Kino, King Guardia XXII and Doan, and then (assuming you didn't fight Lavos with the Epoch) floated around time trying to find Cronos mom...

But even still, this doesn't change the fact that if they were to go past 1010 AD, they'd only be going past that in Another World, since that's their world. That's what Sentenal is saying, and makes perfect sense to me.

Where does FATE imply that? Got a quote?

It's either FATE, Radius talking with Norris or Miguel. That's what I can vaugly remember from the script. That explains why the building is 2400AD, because half of Chronopolis in Home world started being condenced with the rest of the ruined future.

Hmm...I don't remember anything like that, and I just played through CC earlier this week. I'd check the CC script uploaded somewhere up there in those Compendium links...but it's fuckin' long o_O