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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2005, 07:45:07 am »
Noo.. I'm saying that the exact moment that the time crash happens, without their knowing, there should be a new brand of Crono and co who will leave 1000AD in the time crashed timeline. The moment that they pass 1010 and keep going into the future, they would have passed the splitting part, hence they should be 2 version that are time travelling the 3rd time around.

BTW, if you disagree with me, then you can't prove why Serge living has anything to do with Crono not beating Lavos.

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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2005, 07:49:10 am »
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Noo.. I'm saying that the exact moment that the time crash happens, without their knowing, there should be a new brand of Crono and co who will leave 1000AD in the time crashed timeline. The moment that they pass 1010 and keep going into the future, they would have passed the splitting part, hence they should be 2 version that are time travelling the 3rd time around.

BTW, if you disagree with me, then you can't prove why Serge living has anything to do with Crono not beating Lavos.


Eh...that doesn't work, or else it would be changed for every timeline, and obviously that's not the case of else Lavos would never have risen. They can only travel through the timeline of ONE at a time.

Anyway, you can't prove why Serge living has anything to do with Crono beating Lavos in your theory anyway =p lol Believe me, I tried.

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« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2005, 01:14:55 pm »
There's a lot I have to understand from Chrono Cross, but here's what I haven't understood (at least from my two first playthroughs).

1-Why did the world split in two (BTW, Sentenal, I think of the split exactly as you do)? Was it because Schala sent Kid?

2-Why did Schala send Kid? In other words, what did Kid do that the people of 1010 A.D. couldn't?

3-Exactly when did Kid come to the world? Before the split? After? Then, how old is she?

4-When did FATE create El Nido? How does FATE control both worlds?

5-Since Lavos is dead the latest in 1000 A.D., why is Schala trapped with the Time Devourer?

6-What exactly is the Time Devourer? Lavos in some form? An entity of the planet? The Entity? The Planet? Both? What's the purpose of the Time Devourer?

7-Why isn't the Sea of Eden in Home World as it is in Another World? Why Chronopolis isn't in Home World, too? Or why isn't the discarded future in Another World, too? Just because Serge is alive?

8-In which world did FATE or the Frozen Flame turn Wazuki into Lynx? What happened to Wazuki in the other world? What happened to Miguel in Another World?

9-How can Harle be the seventh dragon? She doesn't look like the other six just a bit. When was she created? Why does she follow Lynx?

10-Is the Frozen Flame a part of Lavos? Does it exist in both worlds?

11-What caused the Time Crash? The experiment in Chronopolis? Since Chronopolis was sent back, to which year was it sent?

12-When was Terra Tower created? In which timeline? I thought it was in the Reptite Timeline, but then I saw the scene with the attack (in the fake Viper Manor) and couldn't understand how the humans attacked Terra Tower.

13-Is Terra Tower the Dinopolis?

14-What happened to Kid after the party saved Schala?

These few things...

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« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2005, 02:00:12 pm »
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Why did the world split in two (BTW, Sentenal, I think of the split exactly as you do)? Was it because Schala sent Kid?


It split into two because of Serge. Wazuki drowned him, but Kid traveled back in time and saved him. Serge has full memories of dying AND living at that time. A paradox that caused a time split. My theory is that as an Arbiter, Serge can remember changes in timelines even if he doesn't have TTI, causing time splits if he has two sets of memories plus his powers as the Arbiter giving him uberly awesome time powerz.

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Why did Schala send Kid? In other words, what did Kid do that the people of 1010 A.D. couldn't?


Apparently she sent Kid so that there'd be someone out there to help free her. She planned out Kid's existence so she could save Serge.

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Exactly when did Kid come to the world? Before the split? After? Then, how old is she?


She's only a year younger than Serge, so about two years before the split, I think.

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When did FATE create El Nido? How does FATE control both worlds?


About 10,000 years ago. FATE controls everything in El Nido with the Records of Fate, little devices that act as routers for FATE's influence. The Records don't work in Home world though, so um...uh...I think FATE has limited powers over time and space, considering what it IS.

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Since Lavos is dead the latest in 1000 A.D., why is Schala trapped with the Time Devourer?


Well, when you change the future, it goes to this place called the Darkness Beyond Time. It's a junkyard for old timelines and dimensions. If you kill Lavos, then his future self, how he would live if he wasn't killed, would be sent to this junkyard. Schala was sent there through a vortex created at the Ocean Palace (Like the ones that sent Janus and the Gurus through time) and found herself in the Darkness Beyond Time with Lavos.

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What exactly is the Time Devourer? Lavos in some form? An entity of the planet? The Entity? The Planet? Both? What's the purpose of the Time Devourer?


The Time Devourer is Lavos and Schala merging together into one entity, boosting their powers to phenonemal levels. So yes, I guess you could say Lavos+Schala=Time Devourer. The Time Devourer is an anomaly, a mess-up, and oopsie of reality, and when it grows up, it'll eat all of time. It'll eat every second in the entire universe and time will cease to be. It will basically delete the universe, leaving only the Time Devourer, which I guess might starve to death or something.

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Why isn't the Sea of Eden in Home World as it is in Another World? Why Chronopolis isn't in Home World, too? Or why isn't the discarded future in Another World, too? Just because Serge is alive?


Serge created a paradox. As the Arbiter, he has control over the Flame, and not FATE. So FATE tries to kill him to get the Frozen Flame back, but this causes the time split, as we all know. When Crono and crew went to the future and stopped Lavos, they could only go to one timeline. Now that there's two 1999's, Crono and crew will only travel to one of them, Another, the real 1999. So the Lavos in Home World will live, and because of this, FATE won't be created in Home 2400, so it can't travel to the past to make El Nido. It's a paradox, so because of that, the Sea of Eden in Home World became the Dead Sea, a mix of all these destroyed timelines from the Darkness Beyond Time.

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In which world did FATE or the Frozen Flame turn Wazuki into Lynx? What happened to Wazuki in the other world? What happened to Miguel in Another World?


Wazuki turned into Lynx before the split, so it happened in both. In Another, Lynx does what he does in CC. In Home, he tries to get the Frozen Flame from the Dead Sea, but only the Arbiter can survive in the Dead Sea, so he got frozen and died. Miguel in Another World, I assume, was killed off by FATE.

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How can Harle be the seventh dragon? She doesn't look like the other six just a bit. When was she created? Why does she follow Lynx?


She's the seventh dragon because the other six created her. She was created during the period where Chronopolis crashed, temporarily weakening the seal on the Dragons. They used this time to create Harle, a dragon not sealed by the Frozen Flame's power. She follows Lynx so that he'll lead her to the Frozen Flame and then she'll backstab him and set the other Dragons free.

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Is the Frozen Flame a part of Lavos? Does it exist in both worlds?


The Frozen Flame is a piece of Lavos that broke off when he landed in 65,000,000 BC, so yes, there's a Frozen Flame in both worlds. However, the Frozen Flame in Home World was in the Dead Sea where no one could reach it, and when the Dead Sea was destroyed, so was Home's Frozen Flame.

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What caused the Time Crash? The experiment in Chronopolis? Since Chronopolis was sent back, to which year was it sent?


Lavos caused the Time Crash to pull Chronopolis back in time so it could ultimately save itself. It was sent to 7600 BC

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When was Terra Tower created? In which timeline? I thought it was in the Reptite Timeline, but then I saw the scene with the attack (in the fake Viper Manor) and couldn't understand how the humans attacked Terra Tower.


The Reptite Timeline. It was created in the Reptite Dimension as a counterpart to Chronopolis, and when the Time Crash happened, Dinopolis was pulled into Chronopolis's time and dimension to counterbalance it.

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Is Terra Tower the Dinopolis?


Yes.

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What happened to Kid after the party saved Schala?


No one can really say for sure. Some say she still lives with Lucca in a repaired timeline, some say she merged with Schala. I personally believed she was erased from existence when her birth was overwritten by the uniting of the timeline.

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« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2005, 02:09:00 pm »
1-In the Reptite Timeline, aren't humans extinct? Where's Belthasar's picture from?

2-Why are the people of Chronopoils ghosts?

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« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2005, 05:30:04 pm »
Zaper...  I'm going to try and understand your points.

Your first point was that after they beat Lavos in a pre-time crash world, and went back in time, that they would have arrived in a post-time crash world.  I disagree here.  You see, Crono and co time traveled backwards in time to 1000ad after defeating Lavos, forcing history to rewrite itself, creating the Keystone 1 timeline.  Basically, Crono and co don't give time a chance for a time crash before they go back to 1000ad.

I think thats enough to show my point, unless I misunderstood you.

And Mystik, my earler answer was said before :)

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« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2005, 09:15:16 pm »
Alright.

But see, that'd mean a lot of things. Would Porre still destroy Guardia (Yes), Would Kid be sent out? (YES, the FMV at the end of CT shows so). And because of that, that would alternatively mean that Kid was sent out twice by Schala. How can this be if shes doing it for a timeline that will be over written?

Anyway, if Crono and co come back like a month later, how about the Crono and co who set out in the post time crash time line? As I said, they should be split automatically when they was the 1010 point.

Man, this is confusing. I wonder if anyone thought of it.

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« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2005, 09:21:38 pm »
Oh, I see what your thinking... Its the notition of time traveling.

For this, lets for a second discard the Time Bastard, as that would solve this problem, but you don't believe in it.

I think the way your thinking of time traveling is basically the time traveler being put into a "stasis", where they would not age, but everything around them would, and they would emerge in Future X, where they seem to have Time Traveled.  Basically, no actual time travel, just perceived, and history flows around them till they get to their destination.

If thats how your thinking of it, then that makes time travel into the past impossible.

The way I think it most likely is a wormhole of some kind that you enter, the time traveler "detaches" from the timeline, and then reconnects at a different point.  A true time warp.  The other way effectively makes time travel to the past impossible.

Oh yeah, they would not be split because they would have been detached from the timeline, and therefore not present for the split.

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« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2005, 11:40:55 pm »
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In the Reptite Timeline, aren't humans extinct? Where's Belthasar's picture from?


Humans are extinct. How Belthasar's picture got there, no one knows.

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Why are the people of Chronopoils ghosts?


Because they're dead.

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« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2005, 03:08:45 am »
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Oh, I see what your thinking... Its the notition of time traveling.

For this, lets for a second discard the Time Bastard, as that would solve this problem, but you don't believe in it.

I think the way your thinking of time traveling is basically the time traveler being put into a "stasis", where they would not age, but everything around them would, and they would emerge in Future X, where they seem to have Time Traveled.  Basically, no actual time travel, just perceived, and history flows around them till they get to their destination.

If thats how your thinking of it, then that makes time travel into the past impossible.

The way I think it most likely is a wormhole of some kind that you enter, the time traveler "detaches" from the timeline, and then reconnects at a different point.  A true time warp.  The other way effectively makes time travel to the past impossible.

Oh yeah, they would not be split because they would have been detached from the timeline, and therefore not present for the split.


Theres a movie called the Time Machine, and the guy goes into that Statis thing but he can still go back in time.

Also, I'm starting to think that maybe going back in time even in CT isn't possible. Something pulled Marle back causing a gate to open to there. There are no gates that lead into the past. From Leene Sqaure we go to Truce Canyon because Marle opened a path. From there we can only go into the future, like to that dome. And from the Arris dome, we got sent to the EoT, and from the EoT, the the pillars of light could lead you there.
Okay, theory might not be great, but lets simply put it at that you can only go back in time if you're pulled back by something (Especially Chronopolis).

I know what you're trying to say with Crono and Co not being present at the time, but since Lucca said that Schala actually was falling through time, like she was inside a tunnel, and outside the tunnel was the world - I started thinking that that may be how it'd work if you were time travelling. Like, as Epoch travels farther through the stream, the moment that it passes the 1010 barrier, the dimensions split, and with them so does time. And possibly Crono and co did get to 2300AD in home world, but the reason why Lavos could not be defeated was because they couldn't time travel back to 1000AD, to Zeal etc. to do anything. They were limited to 1010AD. Oo. Whilst Another World's could still traverse to the past and future.

The main reason i'm bringing up half of this is because i'm still confused. In Crono and co's time line, when they reappear in 1000AD , would everything have happened yet? Because the Fall of Guardia still happens, Kid is released and everything. It's like saying that the new wave of adventurers who time travel the third time to the future will arrive in a fixed one, with no Lavos. Oo

Sorry, I'm really tired and have the flu. Kind of confused.

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« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2005, 03:13:20 am »
1-I meant, from what timeline was the picture? If humans were extinct in the Reptite Timeline, how did they attack Terra Tower?

2-What killed the people in Chronopolis?

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« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2005, 12:58:21 pm »
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I meant, from what timeline was the picture? If humans were extinct in the Reptite Timeline, how did they attack Terra Tower?


Because Terra Tower was warped to a dimension where humans WEREN'T Extinct. The Time Crash pulled Terra Tower into Chronopolis's dimension.

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What killed the people in Chronopolis?


They lived over 10,000 years ago. Take a guess.

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« Reply #42 on: October 23, 2005, 02:00:39 pm »
I've seen the Time Machine movie.  And the notion of time travel, like how its shown, is crazy.

Pulled back by something?  Zaper, regardless of the circumstances around going into the past, they do go into the past, exactly how they go to the future.  Fact.

And I'm not quiet sure about the Schala situation, or how thats similar to what were talking about...

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« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2005, 04:28:59 pm »
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Because Terra Tower was warped to a dimension where humans WEREN'T Extinct. The Time Crash pulled Terra Tower into Chronopolis's dimension.

Wow. That beautiful picture was from the humans' universe? I'm surprised...

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They lived over 10,000 years ago. Take a guess.

What, you mean they didn't have children or anything? Or were they so busy with their experiments that they didn't realize they had travelled many years in the past?

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« Reply #44 on: October 23, 2005, 06:55:14 pm »
Some of them did became some settlers of El Nido.

At least that something I remember. o.o

Wrongly or rightly. >_>