Author Topic: Do You Believe in "God"? (Read 39115 times)

Burning Zeppelin · « **Reply #135 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:51:51 am »

We are judged by our thoughts, not our deeds. But see, Islam says we will get rewards for not doing a bad deed, when we really wanted to the bad deed. Not having suffering leads to pride and arrogance, something only God has a right to.
Lord J would say: Oh, so we aren't allowed to have rights to emotions where God is? Blah
Yes...Because he is god...And we were given emotions that aren't good to tempt us, and to see if we can avoid things. What is the use of Hell if there is no bad? How can we be generous if there is no suffering? See, God said that there are enough resources (money, food etc.) to supply the whole population, if people gave their zakat (obligitory paying of 2.5% of saving and goods, or 2.5% of all gold) to the poor. Lord J, just say this. I do not like Christianity or Islam because i dont believe in God or the Hereafter.

Radical_Dreamer · « **Reply #136 on:** November 12, 2005, 05:43:45 am »

Sentenal, how do you reconcile your belief that we are all God's children with your belief that Jesus is God's only son? That's clearly a contradiction.

CyberSarkany · « **Reply #137 on:** November 12, 2005, 06:49:54 am »

God wants us to love him like a father, not that he is biologically(spelling?) ours. And Jesus was supposed to be a human, with gods spirit(Christ) in him (and the spirit prolly left before jesus died, thats why he said something like "Why have u forsaken me", at least i think)

evirus · « **Reply #138 on:** November 12, 2005, 11:27:33 am »

god created everything? so before then there was nothing? how could something like a god exist from nothingness?

Leebot · « **Reply #139 on:** November 12, 2005, 02:21:59 pm »

Okay, I'm pretty sure I know what the response to this is going to be, but I'm going to give you the chance anyway.

To all those who believe strongly in some religion, can you convince me of it? I don't mean religion in general even, but your particular religion. With all the religions out there, how does a leap of faith towards one constitute more than a guess?

Philosopher1701 · « **Reply #140 on:** November 12, 2005, 03:25:17 pm »

Quote from: Leebot

Okay, I'm pretty sure I know what the response to this is going to be, but I'm going to give you the chance anyway.

To all those who believe strongly in some religion, can you convince me of it? I don't mean religion in general even, but your particular religion. With all the religions out there, how does a leap of faith towards one constitute more than a guess?

Leebot, considering your avatar is an image of Citan, I imagine you have taken Xenogears to heart.

Sentenal · « **Reply #141 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:03:39 pm »

Quote from: Radical_Dreamer

Sentenal, how do you reconcile your belief that we are all God's children with your belief that Jesus is God's only son? That's clearly a contradiction.

Humans are figurativly God's sons. Bring something better than a semantical issue up.

@EVirus: How bout you explain the universe's origin? You believe the big bang started it up? Well, where did the matter that exploded come from? How did it explode? Things don't blow up for no reason. This same comment works just as good agianst your camp.

evirus · « **Reply #142 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:58:30 pm »

Quote from: Sentenal

Quote from: Radical_Dreamer
Sentenal, how do you reconcile your belief that we are all God's children with your belief that Jesus is God's only son? That's clearly a contradiction.

Humans are figurativly God's sons. Bring something better than a semantical issue up.

@EVirus: How bout you explain the universe's origin? You believe the big bang started it up? Well, where did the matter that exploded come from? How did it explode? Things don't blow up for no reason. This same comment works just as good agianst your camp.

look up the membrane theory, the big bang orignated from colliding universes, looking from out side, the universe appears as a membrane or a shell, something of that nature, thats part of the membrane theory...

"theres tons of religions out there, some of them must be wrong, and dosnt that make all of them wrong?"

Sentenal · « **Reply #143 on:** November 12, 2005, 05:36:28 pm »

I've heard of the membrain theory before, but that just brings up "Where did those universes come from."

Radical_Dreamer · « **Reply #144 on:** November 12, 2005, 06:29:58 pm »

Quote from: Sentenal

Quote from: Radical_Dreamer
Sentenal, how do you reconcile your belief that we are all God's children with your belief that Jesus is God's only son? That's clearly a contradiction.

Humans are figurativly God's sons. Bring something better than a semantical issue up.

That was an honest question. It's something I've never understood about Christianity. Sorry if the way I worded it made it sound like an attack.

Leebot · « **Reply #145 on:** November 12, 2005, 06:44:33 pm »

Quote from: Sentenal

I've heard of the membrain theory before, but that just brings up "Where did those universes come from."

Well, theoretically, they (or something) has always been there. And before you point out any problem with this, note that the same problems arise when considering either where a god came from, or how s/he could have always been there.

Sentenal · « **Reply #146 on:** November 12, 2005, 07:09:53 pm »

Quote from: Leebot

Quote from: Sentenal
I've heard of the membrain theory before, but that just brings up "Where did those universes come from."

Well, theoretically, they (or something) has always been there. And before you point out any problem with this, note that the same problems arise when considering either where a god came from, or how s/he could have always been there.

Exactly. If one side gets to say that something has always been there, why can I not answer "God has always been there"?

Mystik3eb · « **Reply #147 on:** November 12, 2005, 07:50:10 pm »

Quote from: Sentenal

Quote from: Leebot
Well, theoretically, they (or something) has always been there. And before you point out any problem with this, note that the same problems arise when considering either where a god came from, or how s/he could have always been there.

Exactly. If one side gets to say that something has always been there, why can I not answer "God has always been there"?

It's an interesting thought process. Our human minds cannot comprehend the idea of no boundaries, because we're surrounded by it, it's how our lives are run and everything seems to be oriented in this plane of existence. We begin living, we end living. Things start and end, that's how we know everything. We mentally cannot comprehend the actual reality of no beginning and no end, no start and no finish, no boundaries. We can only believe that such a concept is true, but with a certain assurance we're not completely off our rockers.

GrayLensman · « **Reply #148 on:** November 12, 2005, 08:11:20 pm »

Quote from: Sentenal

I've heard of the membrain theory before, but that just brings up "Where did those universes come from."

We don't know. That doesn't mean the answer is unknowable, or that the universe was created by a supernatural entity. It only means we have to keep searching for the answer.

Also, there doesn't have be by any "beginning" of the universe. Time is just another dimension. How many edges does a ball have?

Burning Zeppelin · « **Reply #149 on:** November 12, 2005, 08:46:05 pm »

But see, the beginning of the universe timewise, is also the beginning spacewise, because the universe is...
CHILDREN: TIME AND SPACE!!!!
Plus, correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing Christianity says about universe creation is "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth" Whereas we say stuff like, and I'm paraphrasing, "then Allah cast a speck of dust asunder and created the universe"...or something like that. And guess what, this is from a religion 1400 years ago!

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