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« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2005, 12:30:51 pm »
I like and dislike getting into political discussions. Too much of it involves things most people really don't know much about, except what people tell them.

But to cast an opinion based on what I've been told, as far as abortion goes I'd draw the line, so to speak. Meaning it depends. I agree with Silvercry, women do have a choice: to be more responsible when having sex. If they're just sleeping around foolishly, or putting themselves in a situation where they lose control (drinking too much, or, in my opinion, going to an event involving drinking at ALL), then they don't really deserve the luxury of denying the birth of a child 'so easily', I guess you could say. Unless they do the abortion before the heart of the child starts beating. At that point, that's where I consider the child to be alive, and an abortion after this event I would consider murder. After this point, the only abortion I'd be ok with would be in the case of rape, or the birth resulting in the death of the mother.

I never attacked anyones beliefs, I simply looked at them in a manner that made them look as foolish as I see them, which was honestly a mistake. And I don't want people to think I hate or disrespect people involved in religion or anything like that, it's not true. I guess it might've sounded like it based on my previous posts, but no, I do respect people who devote their lives to what they believe is right. I just don't agree with it, and I was too harsh in explaining my reasoning. I apologize.

But J's right, in everything he's said. He handled the issue more delicately than I did, and I respect him for that.

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« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2005, 01:06:08 pm »
Mystik:  Prove that the bible isn't crap?  lol.   Listen, in arguements, I don't have any reason to disprove a negative.  Thats a cop-out, and shows a poor arguement on your part.  It amuses me, however.

Abortion:  I will say little on this, because I do not come to the Compendium to argue politics.  Too much, anyway.  Once the sperm and the egg meet, and a child is conseived, its genetic human.  The fact it cannot survive on its own is irrelevant, unless we are going to go around and able everyone who cannot survive alone as inhuman.  I am not for a woman giving birth in everycase.  Incest, Rape, and if the Mother's life is in danger.  In those cases, abortion is nessisary for the mental and physical health of the mother, and for the health of a child in the case of incest.  Basically, I don't see how anyone can argue for abortion on demand and keep mortality at the same time.

And although I don't agree with Lord J in alot of what he said, just look at how he said it.  I don't harbor any ill feelings toward him, and I respect him.

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« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2005, 01:30:26 pm »
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Once the sperm and the egg meet, and a child is conseived, its genetic human.  The fact it cannot survive on its own is irrelevant, unless we are going to go around and able everyone who cannot survive alone as inhuman.


Well said.  As the father of an infant, I can attest that little Chibi-Silvercry would not last long by herself.  A day, day and a half, two days tops with most of that last day spent asleep from the hunger and exhaustion of the preceding day.

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Unless they do the abortion before the heart of the child starts beating.


FYI: That's about week four or five.  Not a lot of room for error, since that’s when most women first begin to suspect they're pregnant

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« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2005, 03:24:55 pm »
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Plus, Jesus probably did exist, because no made up man couldve created such an impact, as to of created a billion followers.
Hey Harry Potter also sold a lot of books. :p

I'm not going to write five pages of text on the religion subject. (I lack knowledge in english to do so)
I just wouldn't follow such a hypocrite, evil and egocentric God as the one from Christianity.
That's just me I guess. For each their own.

About abortion, I think the woman should be allowed to abort regardless of the fetus age.

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« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2005, 03:35:36 pm »
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Plus, Jesus probably did exist, because no made up man couldve created such an impact, as to of created a billion followers.
Hey Harry Potter also sold a lot of books. :p

I'm not going to write five pages of text on the religion subject. (I lack knowledge in english to do so)
I just wouldn't follow such a hypocrite, evil and egocentric God as the one from Christianity.
That's just me I guess. For each their own.

The point of my post yesterday evening was that if you ever want it to be more than "just you" who feels that way, calling people's deepest-held beliefs "hypocrite, evil, and egocentric" is exactly the wrong thing to say. Changing people's minds begins with understanding that they have a reason for holding their present beliefs.

If, on the other hand, your goal is to draw a line between yourself and religionists, then you will succeed splendidly...but a lot of good it will do you in the end: Most people are religious, and folks like us are grossly outnumbered and underrepresented in the corridors of power. Antagonizing the majority is dangerous, seldom called-for, and requires a level of ideological commitment and intellectual mastery that few possess.

~ Josh (posting from Officeland)

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« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2005, 04:05:47 pm »
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The point of my post yesterday evening was that if you ever want it to be more than "just you" who feels that way, calling people's deepest-held beliefs "hypocrite, evil, and egocentric" is exactly the wrong thing to say.
Hey it's on the Bible!!

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« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2005, 08:44:46 pm »
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The point of my post yesterday evening was that if you ever want it to be more than "just you" who feels that way, calling people's deepest-held beliefs "hypocrite, evil, and egocentric" is exactly the wrong thing to say.
Hey it's on the Bible!!


Excuse me?

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« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2005, 09:11:50 pm »
Don't mind Josh, they live in a world where christians eat small children's puppies for fun.

Josh has limited knowledge of Christianity, but knuck's ignorance of theology is mind-numbing, so try not to let them get to you.  Not unless they actually give points, which Josh sometimes does.

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« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2005, 09:17:29 pm »
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Don't mind Josh, they live in a world where christians eat small children's puppies for fun.

Josh has limited knowledge of Christianity, but knuck's ignorance of theology is mind-numbing, so try not to let them get to you.  Not unless they actually give points, which Josh sometimes does.


Ah I see, understood.

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« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2005, 10:57:33 pm »
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Don't mind Josh, they live in a world where christians eat small children's puppies for fun.

Josh has limited knowledge of Christianity, but knuck's ignorance of theology is mind-numbing, so try not to let them get to you.  Not unless they actually give points, which Josh sometimes does.

Sometimes, eh? Limited, eh? Puppies, eh?! You've done it this time, pal! Your house is sooo getting pumpkined, or, if pumpkins are in short supply, zucchinied.

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« Reply #55 on: October 31, 2005, 11:01:32 pm »
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Don't mind Josh, they live in a world where christians eat small children's puppies for fun.

Josh has limited knowledge of Christianity, but knuck's ignorance of theology is mind-numbing, so try not to let them get to you.  Not unless they actually give points, which Josh sometimes does.

Sometimes, eh? Limited, eh? Puppies, eh?! You've done it this time, pal! Your house is sooo getting pumpkined, or, if pumpkins are in short supply, zucchinied.


You're too late, I already TPed it. And left a "Spare the Puppies" pamphlet, missionary-style.

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« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2005, 11:36:52 pm »
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You're too late, I already TPed it. And left a "Spare the Puppies" pamphlet, missionary-style.


How very Jehovah's Witness of you.

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« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2005, 11:40:29 pm »
See how fast I can turn this thread into smily?

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« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2005, 04:08:40 am »
I agree with Sentenal again. Rape, incest and damaging of mothers physical/mental or childs physical/mental health would warrant an abort. Maybe if in the period of 9 months if you go seriously finacially bad. But aborting because you "feel like it" and because you have rights...thats just bad pants

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« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2005, 01:44:08 pm »
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I agree with Sentenal again. Rape, incest and damaging of mothers physical/mental or childs physical/mental health would warrant an abort. Maybe if in the period of 9 months if you go seriously finacially bad. But aborting because you "feel like it" and because you have rights...thats just bad pants


Agreed.