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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2005, 12:30:31 am »
Look at what happens when the Prophet deals with Schala for your proof.

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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2005, 12:53:22 am »
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They dye their hair.  Thats exactly why Schala's hair is blonde in CC, and I believe it says that they dye it in the Japanese version of CT.  And I thought we already proved that the "Serge=Janus" theory to be a load of crap...


Don't be arrogant. It could be a power thing. BTW, the others could be wearing a wig. Did you notice that all Zealians seem to have a blue fur thingy on their hats?

And just because Schala's hair is blonde in CC doesn't prove anything. Her eyes have faded, her hair has faded. She looks even smaller. From all we know, Lavos mucked up her DNA and Kid may have been based on that.

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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2005, 01:11:03 am »
No, I've heard about the dyed-hair thing, too.

And about Magus' power vs Schalas': I'd bet Schala could've kicked the Prophets ass if she wanted.  Besides, if the Prophet had proven more powerful than Schala, the Queen would've had him doing everything instead of Schala. It's arguable that Magus was hiding his powers until that face-to-face moment with Lavos, a la DBZ style, but...I dunno, something tells me Magus still isn't as powerful as Schala. Nothing but a feeling, though.

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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2005, 01:12:35 am »
How exactly does her merging with Lavos change her hair color?  Your just making stuff up and (I've been waiting for this for a LONG time) going directly agianst in-game evidence.  Both Kid, Schala's clone, and Schala in CC, are blonde.  Merging with Lavos MAY drain Schala, and for some crazy reason, change her hair color.  But change Schala's genetics?  HA.

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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2005, 02:21:39 am »
I don't see how the merge wouldn't change her DNA somewhat...At the very least the damn thing is draining her energy, thus causing a fade. Kid has no such energy because she was made during/after Schala's hair changed or because she doesn't have any energy to begin with (perhaps the hair color is Magically inclined)...

I await SkyRender & RPGOne's translation. It's the only thing that will end the "Zealians dyed their hair" rumor.

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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2005, 02:41:35 am »
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I await SkyRender & RPGOne's translation. It's the only thing that will end the "Zealians dyed their hair" rumor.


Either that or Kato answering the questions. He really should write a Chrono FAQ and answer alot of these silly questions we obsessed fans puzzle over. Ok well, he doesn't have to, but it'd be really really nice for us :D

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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2005, 04:48:45 am »
Perhaps Kato would have to ask Sakaguchi or Horii, in a similar way...

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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2005, 06:01:47 am »
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Perhaps Kato would have to ask Sakaguchi or Horii, in a similar way...


Not if he was the story-writer, which even though he didn't have full-blown control over it in CT, did get all of it in CC.

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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2005, 06:37:58 am »
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How exactly does her merging with Lavos change her hair color? Your just making stuff up and (I've been waiting for this for a LONG time) going directly agianst in-game evidence. Both Kid, Schala's clone, and Schala in CC, are blonde. Merging with Lavos MAY drain Schala, and for some crazy reason, change her hair color. But change Schala's genetics? HA.

And you're going against PROVEN game evidence. Maybe you should take a look at Schala before you talk to me about her. I checked her out hardcore! Yellow eyes, faded hair.... It's hardly even blonde. As for Kid's, her one is practically on the verge of orange. And her Schala's CT eyes were green, her eyes are now yellow, and Kid's are blue.
Wazuki has blue hair, and Serge has blue hair. It's natural. Even if the Zealians dyed their hair, it doesn't mean that there are still some people who do have blue hair. Look at Riddle too.
Also, The whole hair dye thing is a rumour until someone translates the whole japanese passage. It could have said that the normal zealians died their hair, not the royal family. I'm learning japanese... And it's very difficult to translate. If you mis interpret one Kanji (for one Kanji can have 3+ meanings) you'll stuff up the translation.

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I don't see how the merge wouldn't change her DNA somewhat...At the very least the damn thing is draining her energy, thus causing a fade. Kid has no such energy because she was made during/after Schala's hair changed or because she doesn't have any energy to begin with (perhaps the hair color is Magically inclined)...

I await SkyRender & RPGOne's translation. It's the only thing that will end the "Zealians dyed their hair" rumor.


Thank You. If Schala truely isn't blue haired, then I would go with Magically sustained then.[/quote]

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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2005, 12:45:56 pm »
And I thought that this thread wouldn't get off-topic...

Magus' magic power is stronger than Schala's. One of the three gurus says that. Period.

About the blue hair, if people live in a magic city built on a flying island, I don't see why they would hesitate to use magic to dye their hair. Let's say, Schala uses magic to die her hair (and perhaps Janus' hair, too). Janus starts using magic (if he hasn't been using it already), becomes Magus, maintains the color of the hair periodically, using magic. Schala merges with the Time Devourer... She has more pressing problems than her hair color, so she stops dying it and it eventually becomes what it was, blonde. Kid hasn't been using magic to dye her hair, so she's blonde.

Another theory is that the color change using magic is permanent. After merging with the Time Devourer, Schala's hair becomes blonde because the magic that maintained the blue color is absorbed. Don't ask why. It's foolish to try to explain logically things like magic, since every writer understands it differently. If this happens, then Kid is blonde because Schala is blonde now, too.

After defeating Lavos, Magus goes back to 12000BC to find Schala. Perhaps he finds out what has happened... Then, Magus possibly created Serge or Wazuki (or intervened between them somehow - unlikely, though). The blue hair is connected with the second theory, that the color change is permanent. Serge/Wazuki has blue hair because Magus had blue hair when he created him (since he is a copy of Magus).

Schala is touched by that boy's fate. Why? He's a stranger and there are people with much worse lives than Serge's. Hmmm... Schala creates Kid to save Serge, so that he saves her. Hmmm... Serge saves Kid and Schala, what Magus wanted. Hmmm...

Lucca mentions in her letter that Janus might be there, near Kid while she is reading the letter. Hmmmmmmm?

About Riddel... I think it's a Japanese tradition that princesses dye their hair blue. This explains why her hair is blue. She's not really a princess, but she's the daughter of General Viper, not a common mortal...

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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2005, 04:07:33 pm »
There are some people in CT in 600AD and 1000AD with blue hair too..

And it's Dye not die.

From what we've seen with Magus, using magic to change your features permanantly changes it. His ears, eyes.... Even though in RD he's said to be "handsome".

And what do you mean Japanese tradition? If anything, it's most likely an anime law that Princess' have to be born with weird coloured hair.

And like I said in my previous post. Schala's hair < Kid's. Schala's hair is on the verge of white. Kid's is almost orange, and red at the tips.

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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2005, 06:40:01 pm »
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Being dead is so realtive in a game dealing with Time Travel, so its hard to say if he is "dead" or not.


He is in the entire timeframe Chrono Cross takes place in.

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Don't be arrogant.


He wasn't being arrogant. Fail.

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(since he is a copy of Magus).


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Schala is touched by that boy's fate. Why? He's a stranger and there are people with much worse lives than Serge's. Hmmm... Schala creates Kid to save Serge, so that he saves her. Hmmm... Serge saves Kid and Schala, what Magus wanted. Hmmm...


I believe there are several reasons for why Schala did this. One, on her way to the DBT, she MAY have heard Serge and tried to help him out of her own natural kindness. Two, being merged with Lavos, Serge is really the only person she can interact with. Three, she may realize how important Serge is to the timeline. Four, they're both Arbiters, so they have something to bond over. and FIVE, the most likely, she may have gotten a crush on him.

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And what do you mean Japanese tradition? If anything, it's most likely an anime law that Princess' have to be born with weird coloured hair.


I should be offended by that. He's right though, Japanese maidens of nobility did dye their hair blue because they were supposedly descended from the Gods. Infact, the blue hair anime law is inspired by this tradition as a religious allusion to the main character in the anime (usually) being something important to the anime's plot. IE, the Chosen One.

It's the same principle as American movies that compare protagonists to Jesus.

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« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2005, 07:02:22 pm »
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Four, they're both Arbiters, so they have something to bond over


I don't understand how Serge becoming the "aribter" has any relevance towards why she saved him. Considering that I don't think any of the, "opposing side" (Harle, the dragons etc.) refer to him as such, and I always sort of assumed he was only considered that from FATE's point of view (essentially a code name given to him by FATE and Chronopolis.)

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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2005, 01:10:36 am »
Serge wasn't even an arbiter when Schala saved him....

Oh and on the Prophet/Schala thing...
I think Schala indeed is stronger than Magus, or even Crono and co. I think she herself would hold it back. All Schala did to the Mammon Machine was rise it to it's fullest power, and it's power fired into her. She did not use the limit of her power to raise it.
I think she might be to modest to use her full powers. She respects everyone, she isn't a fighter type. And she survived Lavos.

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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2005, 06:32:18 am »
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There are some people in CT in 600AD and 1000AD with blue hair too..

What? Who?

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And it's Dye not die.

Ooops.  :o

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I think Schala indeed is stronger than Magus, or even Crono and co. I think she herself would hold it back. All Schala did to the Mammon Machine was rise it to it's fullest power, and it's power fired into her. She did not use the limit of her power to raise it.
I think she might be to modest to use her full powers. She respects everyone, she isn't a fighter type. And she survived Lavos.

Janus was the one who used to hold back, but one of the three gurus said that his magic is more powerful than Schala's. So, they knew he was a powerful wizard. This means that they could actually know how strong magic somebody has. And surviving Lavos doesn't mean more than defeating it. :D