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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2005, 08:09:23 pm »
Because the Fall of Guardia was new game plus, are you just writing it off as not part of the main continutity?

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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2005, 04:18:56 pm »
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RD is a alternate dimension where the events in RD repeat over nad over again. At leats thats my take on it. Wheter theres Mutiple dimensa with similar events occuring or there is just the one  who is to say.

I've just thought about something. We know that in RD, a particular set of events (someone named Serge being taken by a mysterious girl to a treasure) seems to repeat itself over and over again. In the main continuity of the game series (CT and CC), the only link to RD is a record from a computer in Chronopolis.

So, what if RD wasn't an alternate dimension but really just a program from that computer in Chronopolis (sounds like Matrix)? The events which set Project Kid in motion are very complicated, and Belthasar might have simulated a lot of different scenarios on computers before choosing which one was the more likely to succeed. Perhaps the stories in RD are actually those simulated realities? Since the purpose of Project Kid is to save Schala, all of them involve a Serge and Kid searching the Frozen Flame or some fancy stuff. And since they are not set in the real world, some details are changed in order to test different scenarios (some new countries exist, Magil's role and identity change) or somehow artificial : Serge isn't living the adventure but just reading a diary, and some absurd stuff can even be written on it (the infamous "and so I died...").

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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2005, 05:46:57 pm »
hmmmm Thats a good point. But then theres the philosophic question that even if it is a computer program Its still a "World" initself.

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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2005, 06:56:49 pm »
I guess thats possible.  Sounds like something I saw on GameFAQs earlyer, but not as explained as that.

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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2005, 12:42:37 am »
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hmmmm Thats a good point. But then theres the philosophic question that even if it is a computer program Its still a "World" initself.


Here we venture into sollipsism.  After all, if the elements of the program (in this case, Kid, Serge, and Magil) don't realize that they're part of a program, does this diminish the meaning of their existance, and somehow take away something from the story?

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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2005, 07:47:36 am »
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I guess thats possible.  Sounds like something I saw on GameFAQs earlyer, but not as explained as that.

My login is Meteorcross on GameFAQs, so it may be something I posted.

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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2005, 03:40:07 pm »
Ah, that was you.  I log on as Dark Sentenal, btw.

I just though about something:  Radical Dreamers is mainly about Kid, Serge, and Magil trying to get the Frozen Flame, right?  From my understanding, Project Kid is the whole convoulted plot to save Schala.  So what would Serge and Kid going after the Frozen Flame have to do with that?

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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2005, 05:11:02 pm »
What does the matrix-ish theory have to do with solipsism?
As far as I know, solipsism is when everyone else is just a figment of your imagination, not a computer's, or anyone else's (thus the soli- meaning 'alone')

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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2005, 09:20:33 pm »
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Because the Fall of Guardia was new game plus, are you just writing it off as not part of the main continutity?


That depends on what you mean by 'main'. So far, each game seems to take place in an alternate/new timeline, including Chrono Trigger itself because it is then that the Entity steps in and changes the past by allowing Crono & Co to travel through time (or however you see the Entity having done things). Obviously the Fall segways into Chrono Cross. I think that may be where the focus is going.

But if by 'main' you mean the original timeline, I don't think that's important...I don't think it ever was.

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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2005, 12:20:34 am »
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What does the matrix-ish theory have to do with solipsism?
As far as I know, solipsism is when everyone else is just a figment of your imagination, not a computer's, or anyone else's (thus the soli- meaning 'alone')


The Matrix-ish stuff is mostly just questioning reality.

Where I was going, though, is that from the point of view of each individual within this program, if RD really was just that, they are the only real thing there.  Building from the premise that "I think, therefore I am," each person there could reasonably assume that they exist (despite the fact that their thoughts are merely a part of the computer).  The same cannot be said for anything else, from their point of view.  But this is mostly a question of existance, which we cannot prove or disprove here, unless someone has a simulated world on their PC/Mac somewhere?

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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2005, 04:28:55 pm »
Well, we've made a ton of progress in computer over the last 20 years, so we'll probably be able to simulate entire worlds by 2300 (and I assume our current stage to be around 1500AD in CT, so 2805 would be more comparable)

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« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2005, 12:44:32 am »
True, but you wouldn't happen to have it sitting next to you, do you?  If you do, we can work this out now.  Otherwise, I guess we'll have to wait until 2300 or 2805 or whenever.

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« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2005, 10:46:38 am »
Even if we could simulate worlds, would we know if the people in them thought that whatever they were being forced to do were their own free will?

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« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2005, 11:47:40 am »
I personally don't believe we could ever create something that truly thinks, other than children.  Even the most advanced AI program is still built on rules, commands, and other such scripted things.  I do believe that one day, we would hardly be able to tell the difference, but never fully.

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« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2005, 01:20:39 pm »
But when you come down to it, the human brain is nothing but an advanced computer. All that it does is based on preset functions. Such functions may stem from memories. An advanced enough computer could do the same.