Yet Another Theory on the Rise of Porre

[Zaperking]

Hmm, well since you insisted that changes in time were "instant" in another topic, then when Crono and Co get back to 1000AD, the Time Crash should have happened. Hence, Kid is created and everything leads off from there.

That would be true if Crono stayed in the future until 2400 and then time traveled backwards.  However, they went back home from 1999ad, well before the time crash.  Time had no progressed to 2400 yet.

I thought they went back home from Lavos' Pocket Dimension?

And I thought that the pocket dimension collapsed upon Lavos' death Oo.

[Naz]

Hmm, well since you insisted that changes in time were "instant" in another topic, then when Crono and Co get back to 1000AD, the Time Crash should have happened. Hence, Kid is created and everything leads off from there.

That would be true if Crono stayed in the future until 2400 and then time traveled backwards.  However, they went back home from 1999ad, well before the time crash.  Time had no progressed to 2400 yet.

I thought they went back home from Lavos' Pocket Dimension?

And I thought that the pocket dimension collapsed upon Lavos' death Oo.

Didn't the Lavos Core transport them to the DBT to battle? So wouldn't they have transported from there?

[Sentenal]

Lavos erupts in 1999ad.  Crono and Co. time travel to this time, attack him, Lavos falls back to his Pocket Dimension.  They fight, Lavos dies, Pocket Dimension collapes.  But regardless, the year 2400 hadn't come up yet, no time crash before Crono and co return home.

[Zaperking]

Theres no exact proof. We just see them standing there as the PD collapses. They probably got sent to the end of time, and went to their time. But when they arrive there, the time crash probably happened, otherwise that screws up so many things anyway.

[Sentenal]

Theres no exact proof. We just see them standing there as the PD collapses. They probably got sent to the end of time, and went to their time. But when they arrive there, the time crash probably happened, otherwise that screws up so many things anyway.

Why would they arrive at the end of time?  Why not at the point where they entired the pocket dimension?

[Chrono'99]

Theres no exact proof. We just see them standing there as the PD collapses. They probably got sent to the end of time, and went to their time. But when they arrive there, the time crash probably happened, otherwise that screws up so many things anyway.

Why would they arrive at the end of time?  Why not at the point where they entired the pocket dimension?

They would arrive at the End of Time because they were only 3 and they had to brought back the 4 other time travelers who were waiting there while the others fought Lavos.

[Sentenal]

Theres no exact proof. We just see them standing there as the PD collapses. They probably got sent to the end of time, and went to their time. But when they arrive there, the time crash probably happened, otherwise that screws up so many things anyway.

Why would they arrive at the end of time?  Why not at the point where they entired the pocket dimension?

They would arrive at the End of Time because they were only 3 and they had to brought back the 4 other time travelers who were waiting there while the others fought Lavos.

You fight Lavos with 3 people.  Lavos is killed, and still, only 3 people fought him.  If 4 or more were there, sure, maybe they would end up in the end of time.  But there was 3.

[AuraTwilight]

Or maybe they all went to their own times.

[Naz]

Or maybe they all went to their own times.

If that were true, Lucca wouldn't be making such a big deal out of Robo going back to his time. If they went back to their times, she had to have gone to bring them back for the final goodbye. So she would know already that even though the future is changed, Robo still exists. So, that wouldn't work out.

[Chrono'99]

Theres no exact proof. We just see them standing there as the PD collapses. They probably got sent to the end of time, and went to their time. But when they arrive there, the time crash probably happened, otherwise that screws up so many things anyway.

Why would they arrive at the end of time?  Why not at the point where they entired the pocket dimension?

They would arrive at the End of Time because they were only 3 and they had to brought back the 4 other time travelers who were waiting there while the others fought Lavos.

You fight Lavos with 3 people.  Lavos is killed, and still, only 3 people fought him.  If 4 or more were there, sure, maybe they would end up in the end of time.  But there was 3.

You misunderstood. I'm saying that 3 persons fought Lavos while the 4 other time-travelers were waiting for them at the End of Time. It means that after the battle, there are 2 scenarios possible:

-Either the 3 fighters go back to the End of Time to meet with the 4 others, then they all go back to 1,000 AD for the Moonlight Parade,

or

-The 3 fighters go directly to 1,000 AD from wherever they were, and the 4 others go to 1,000 AD from the End of Time. The 2 groups then only meet at the Moonlight Parade.

In my previous post I assumed that the first scenario happened, because it makes more sense. The second scenario doesn't make sense because after such a battle the 3 fighters would want to rejoin the 4 other as quickly as possible, and probably thank Gaspar too. Moreover, this second scenario would be quite complicated timeline-wise (the 3 fighters go to Keystone T-1's 1,000 AD while the 4 others would go to Keystone T-2's 1,000 AD...).

[Sentenal]

You misunderstood. I'm saying that 3 persons fought Lavos while the 4 other time-travelers were waiting for them at the End of Time. It means that after the battle, there are 2 scenarios possible:

-Either the 3 fighters go back to the End of Time to meet with the 4 others, then they all go back to 1,000 AD for the Moonlight Parade,

or

-The 3 fighters go directly to 1,000 AD from wherever they were, and the 4 others go to 1,000 AD from the End of Time. The 2 groups then only meet at the Moonlight Parade.

In my previous post I assumed that the first scenario happened, because it makes more sense. The second scenario doesn't make sense because after such a battle the 3 fighters would want to rejoin the 4 other as quickly as possible, and probably thank Gaspar too. Moreover, this second scenario would be quite complicated timeline-wise (the 3 fighters go to Keystone T-1's 1,000 AD while the 4 others would go to Keystone T-2's 1,000 AD...).

Ah, so thats it.

I still disagree.  They would have emerged from the PD in 1999.  Its possible that they went and hooked up with the others in the end of time, but they could hook up anywhere.  The people in the end of time could use the light pillars to the moonlight parade, and the ones who defeated lavos could use the epoch.

However, I'm not too sure about this.  All I know is that Keystone 1 is a Lavos-less timeline, that is pre-time crash, and Keystone 2 is a Lavos-less timeline, after time crash.

[Zaperking]

I'm starting to think that Crono and co only fought Lavos through the Black Omen in 12,000BC. I mean ,if the Black Omen isn't destroyed along side Zeal, then what? Chronopolis would know that Zeal had existed and all this other stuff. The teens can't appear where Lavos was in 1999AD, otherwise Chronopolis would definitely know that a group of teenagers did appear there. But Chronopolis has discreprencies on it, and they do not state that any such thing happened in their timeline. They only say that it happened in othertimelines that they checked out.

[Sentenal]

I'm starting to think that Crono and co only fought Lavos through the Black Omen in 12,000BC. I mean ,if the Black Omen isn't destroyed along side Zeal, then what? Chronopolis would know that Zeal had existed and all this other stuff. The teens can't appear where Lavos was in 1999AD, otherwise Chronopolis would definitely know that a group of teenagers did appear there. But Chronopolis has discreprencies on it, and they do not state that any such thing happened in their timeline. They only say that it happened in othertimelines that they checked out.

They did know about Zeal...  And they did say that a group of teens defeated Lavos...

[AuraTwilight]

And there's the whole thing with The Black Omen probably existing in a Time Error that can't exist without Lavos.

[Zaperking]

But the problem here is that Zeal is still a myth. And it is not stated that the teenagers killed Lavos in their timeline. It's only stated that by looking into different timelines, they have discovered that a group of teenagers defeated the creature called Lavos who attempted to cause the "Apocalypse". In Chronopolis' timeline, there is no recording of the event because Lavos was killed through all of time. I mean, it's kind of illogical to have the Black Omen appear right when you finally get the Flying Epoch. I think it's plotwise that you're supposed to finish everything off in Zeal at that point, unless you want to do the side quests. The Black Omen seems to me like canon.
The Black Omen probably would not have dissapeared anyway unless Zeal was destroyed. Without Lavos' time error or whatever, it would have just rusted up and probably fallen into the Sea for Chronopolis to find, which never happened since no trace of Zeal remains.