Alternative Theory on the Plot of CC in relation to CT

[Zaperking]

Your telling me that she can only make guns with Fire Magic.   Zaper, Taban seemed pretty good at making weapons without that.

Lol, no. I'm asking wether she could use that power to her advantage, like how she melted/processed the dreamstone with that power. Or did she? Cuz Robo did it to. Maybe they didn't use it.. meh.

No.  She didn't need to fight anymore.  No need for magic anymore.

Magic can still be used in other ways, just as elements can be. She could use fire to burn the fireplace wood, or melt metal or other things. Crono on the other hand also has no need for it.

Thats an absurd arguement.  I guess Crono must have used his magic in secret at the Battle of Zenan Bridge too.  And I guess Magus using Magic in that war was all secret as well.  Chronopolis=Belthasar's knowledge of Magic+Future Technology.

I have no idea how is was covered up. But Crono's part may have been just legend, same with Magus. Heck, maybe Crono and co aren't supposed to use magic Oo.
As for Chronopolis, no one even knows that Belthasar used magic, except for himself.

Also, Remember, 600AD is different to Guardia in 1000AD. They've been having peace for 400 years, and probably don't even have a well established military, so Crono wouldn't need to train for anything anyway. He'd just keep up his sword fighting skills, since that is his passion, and not magic.

[AuraTwilight]

Using magic to burn wood and craft weapons is a waste of resources. She can make fire entirely on her own, there's no need to go gung-ho on her magic.

[meandor]

Game and battle mechanics are 2 diferent things. Almost in every game if you got stabbed you are dead or badly wounded. But if you got stabbed in battle then it`s no problem. What i want to say? If someone survived from bullet in his brains in battle it doesn`t mean that he can survive bullet. Battles are made to look cool, they aren`t meant to show what hero can survive and what he can`t. At most from battle system you can guess that person A is stronger than person B because he does more damage and has more HP.
 When Lucca defeated lavos? i was always thinking that 7 people defeated it(imho crono and magus are WAY stronger than other 5). And what so super unreal that Lynx captured Lucca? In CC lynx probably could kill any hero in fair fight. And those heroes defeated lavos Imho it was easy for him to capture unprepeared Lucca.

[GrayLensman]

Your telling me that she can only make guns with Fire Magic.   Zaper, Taban seemed pretty good at making weapons without that.

Lol, no. I'm asking wether she could use that power to her advantage, like how she melted/processed the dreamstone with that power. Or did she? Cuz Robo did it to. Maybe they didn't use it.. meh.

No.  She didn't need to fight anymore.  No need for magic anymore.

Magic can still be used in other ways, just as elements can be. She could use fire to burn the fireplace wood, or melt metal or other things. Crono on the other hand also has no need for it.

I definitely agree that Lucca would have applied her knowledge of magic to her research, if that's what you mean.  Given that Melchior reforged the Masamune without any apparent equipment, magic would be an invaluable tool.  Combat is only one application of magic.

[AuraTwilight]

Contributing magic to her research, maybe. Using magic to start up a fire in a stove? No.

[GrayLensman]

Contributing magic to her research, maybe. Using magic to start up a fire in a stove? No.

I see what you mean, but if I could start a fire with a gesture, I wouldn't bother with matches.  However, I wouldn't expect Crono to power Guardia's electrical grid, or anything like that.

I don't see the travellers squandering their talents.  Marle, for example, would definitely put her healing abilities to good use.

[Zaperking]

Your telling me that she can only make guns with Fire Magic.   Zaper, Taban seemed pretty good at making weapons without that.

Lol, no. I'm asking wether she could use that power to her advantage, like how she melted/processed the dreamstone with that power. Or did she? Cuz Robo did it to. Maybe they didn't use it.. meh.

No.  She didn't need to fight anymore.  No need for magic anymore.

Magic can still be used in other ways, just as elements can be. She could use fire to burn the fireplace wood, or melt metal or other things. Crono on the other hand also has no need for it.

I definitely agree that Lucca would have applied her knowledge of magic to her research, if that's what you mean.  Given that Belthasar reforged the Masamune without any apparent equipment, magic would be an invaluable tool.  Combat is only one application of magic.

Yeah, I kind of meant her using it in her magical research.
BTw, Melchior fixed the Masamune, not Belthasar.

[Sentenal]

I have no idea how is was covered up. But Crono's part may have been just legend, same with Magus. Heck, maybe Crono and co aren't supposed to use magic Oo.
As for Chronopolis, no one even knows that Belthasar used magic, except for himself.

It wasn't.  They could NOT win at Zenan without magic.  Try using physical attacks on the enemies there.  Not going to work.  Crono would have died at Zenan Bridge without it.  Crono's part was NOT legend.  Hell, in 1000ad, Guardia had a meal named after him, calling him a 'hero', not a 'legend'.  And Magus was known as a WIZARD or SORCERROR.  That means a person who uses magic.  And not to mention Crono's quest was publicly celebrated at the end of CT.  Magic WAS known.

Also, Remember, 600AD is different to Guardia in 1000AD. They've been having peace for 400 years, and probably don't even have a well established military, so Crono wouldn't need to train for anything anyway. He'd just keep up his sword fighting skills, since that is his passion, and not magic.

Zaper, please find a stronger arguement.  I'm loosing my intrest in debating.  Explain why Crono would squander it.  And really, saying that Guardia didn't have a well established military is SO unprovable it hurts your arguement.

[Zaperking]

Zaper, please find a stronger arguement.  I'm loosing my intrest in debating.  Explain why Crono would squander it.  And really, saying that Guardia didn't have a well established military is SO unprovable it hurts your arguement.

How sad. If it's soo unprovable, then you haven't seen the PSX version, or yet heard that Porre took over Guardia? Now that's just sad.

[Mystik3eb]

How sad. If it's soo unprovable, then you haven't seen the PSX version, or yet heard that Porre took over Guardia? Now that's just sad.

That doesn't mean Guardia's army was weak, that could mean Porre was very very very strong.

[Zaperking]

How sad. If it's soo unprovable, then you haven't seen the PSX version, or yet heard that Porre took over Guardia? Now that's just sad.

That doesn't mean Guardia's army was weak, that could mean Porre was very very very strong.

In comparison, it would have been weak verse Porres. Which validates the arugment anyway since we know that Porre defeated Guardia, probably by a huge difference in casualties.

[Sentenal]

Zaper, please find a stronger arguement.  I'm loosing my intrest in debating.  Explain why Crono would squander it.  And really, saying that Guardia didn't have a well established military is SO unprovable it hurts your arguement.

How sad. If it's soo unprovable, then you haven't seen the PSX version, or yet heard that Porre took over Guardia? Now that's just sad.

No need to be an ass, Zaper.  Here, lets take our own history for example.

Germany lost WW1, and WW2.  So did that make them have a weak military?  Hell no, theirs was one of the most powerful on the planet, maybe THE most powerful nation, if you take into account they had to divid up their forces over several fronts to fight several different enemies.  

That fact that Porre beat Guardia does NOT mean Guardia is weak.  We don't know a damn thing about Porre's victory over Guardia, so don't make assumtions on how badly one side lost.

[Elvis_Maximus]

I'd like to point out that, in the game, Spekkio never says that they lost their magic from not using it. He says that they lost their magic because they abused it.

[Zaperking]

I'd like to point out that, in the game, Spekkio never says that they lost their magic from not using it. He says that they lost their magic because they abused it.

That'd mean that some Zealians still kept their magic after the fall, since none of them abused it.
All they did was drain more energy of Lavos, but not abuse their own powers for evil or whatever. Could he be talking about the mystics? Or does this mean that some Zealians kept their magic, but peolpe like Dalton who tried to rule, lost it? But then, how do people just lose magic? I wouldn't be surprised if Crono lost magic since using it against an army to enhilate them would be a abuse of a gift.

[Sentenal]

I'd like to point out that, in the game, Spekkio never says that they lost their magic from not using it. He says that they lost their magic because they abused it.

That'd mean that some Zealians still kept their magic after the fall, since none of them abused it.
All they did was drain more energy of Lavos, but not abuse their own powers for evil or whatever. Could he be talking about the mystics? Or does this mean that some Zealians kept their magic, but peolpe like

Spekkio said people were not allowed to use magic anymore (other than Wizards).  FACT.  It means that little Johnny Zeal Survivor won't get taught magic like daddy and mommy did.

Dalton who tried to rule, lost it? But then, how do people just lose magic? I wouldn't be surprised if Crono lost magic since using it against an army to enhilate them would be a abuse of a gift.

In the original timeline, Dalton either died at the Ocean Palace, or was overthrown.  But here is a GREAT piece of evidence that proves people don't magically loose their magical powers from abusing their magic to take out armys and such:

MAGUS.  MYSTIC WAR. MAGIC.

Thank you.