Slaves in Zeal?

[Salvadeiro]

I'm pretty sure there were slaves in Zeal.  Earthbounds would be the most likely candidate. Although playing the game I haven't seen any earthbounds within the cities of Zeal seeing how this goes along their "untouchable" status, do you think that the Earthbounds were enslaved in Zeal and not just in the Ocean Palace?

[Zaperking]

No, I think to show the Queens mercy and generosity, she would keep them out of the palace to hide the fact that she treats them horribly. The Earthbound ones did work on the Ocean Palace though. That way, no enlightened ones could go there to see how they are treated in their workplace.

In Zeal anyway, people wouldn't need slaves since they have magic. Most people are just sleeping, the rest are doing research or enjoying doing nothing.
I don't think the Zealians were really the kind to get their hands dirty. Magic is one form, and the Earthbound ones to do the really hard physical work in bad conditions (like in the ocean).

[SilentMartyr]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Earthbound ones helped build Zeal itself.

[Chrono'99]

The Earthbound, and perhaps the Imps and Rolly Pollies who are guarding Mts Woe?

[Hindu_Pez]

The Earthbound, and perhaps the Imps and Rolly Pollies who are guarding Mts Woe?

I share the same theory.

[Salvadeiro]

Some stuff I came up with after "research".

1. After being broken off from the social chain of Zeal, the Earthbounds were split up into groups and dropped to earth.  One group was kept in Zeal for slavery (almost-true as shown in the Ocean Palace episode), the others lived in shame in earth (Totally true as seen throught the Zeal Episode).

2. At one point, the Earthbounds were more advances than the Zealots [Enlightened Ones]. Although part of Zeal, the Earthbounds had all the technology Zeal desired. This made up for their not being able to use magic.  

3.  Zealots [Enlightened Ones] and Earthbounds shared common families.

4. The Earthbound Ones under supervision of Zeal, constructed the kingdom.

Discuss.

[Zaperking]

Some stuff I came up with after "research".

1. After being broken off from the social chain of Zeal, the Earthbounds were split up into groups and dropped to earth.  One group was kept in Zeal for slavery (almost-true as shown in the Ocean Palace episode), the others lived in shame in earth (Totally true as seen throught the Zeal Episode).

2. At one point, the Earthbounds were more advances than the Zealots [Enlightened Ones]. Although part of Zeal, the Earthbounds had all the technology Zeal desired. This made up for their not being able to use magic.  

3.  Zealots [Enlightened Ones] and Earthbounds shared common families.

4. The Earthbound Ones under supervision of Zeal, constructed the kingdom.

Discuss.

Where the hell did most of that stuff come from. For all we know, Zeal did the Earthbound ones a "favour" by making them work on the Ocean Palace, hence they get recognition.

And what the hell do you mean by "dropped to Earth". It is unknown what has been going on. From what we know of Queen Zeal, she was responsible for harnessing magic for everyone to use, so magic may not have been usable earlier than that. Everyone may have been living on Earth, but Zeal owned the kingdom and hence it was called the Kingdom of Zeal. When she attempted to harness magic, she may have used the sunstone. But when Lavos took over, it seems that she grew wearly of the Earthbound ones, and then they were cast off down because they could not use magic (maybe they don't have the gene that lets them channal Lavos' energy etc.) Though, Zeal's family, Dalton and the Guru's seem to have advanced magic, which may mean that some people could have had magic earlier than that, and that they all lived together, but the Earthbound ones were still shunned.

2. At one point, the Earthbounds were more advances than the Zealots [Enlightened Ones]. Although part of Zeal, the Earthbounds had all the technology Zeal desired. This made up for their not being able to use magic.  

3.  Zealots [Enlightened Ones] and Earthbounds shared common families.

I don't get the Earthbound ones being more advanced...
And how do you know they shared common families. If that was true, Janus would have been cast down as an Earthbound one, but because one or more of his family members can do magic, that may be why he was able to stay in Zeal. It is plausible that maybe Zealian's who can use magic that have kids who can't have magic make those kids use Lavos' channaled energy instead.. who knows.

[Tonjevic]

Where the hell did most of that stuff come from. For all we know, Zeal did the Earthbound ones a "favour" by making them work on the Ocean Palace, hence they get recognition.

No, i dont think so. Hardly any Zealians actually went INTO the ocean palace. Personally, i think it was kept hush-hush. The Zealians were extremely naive, naive enough not to wonder who was working on it, so long as it was being built, and it wasnt them.

I dont think that the earthbound people were spared any notice.
Rather, they were taken advantage of.

[Zaperking]

Where the hell did most of that stuff come from. For all we know, Zeal did the Earthbound ones a "favour" by making them work on the Ocean Palace, hence they get recognition.

No, i dont think so. Hardly any Zealians actually went INTO the ocean palace. Personally, i think it was kept hush-hush. The Zealians were extremely naive, naive enough not to wonder who was working on it, so long as it was being built, and it wasnt them.

I dont think that the earthbound people were spared any notice.
Rather, they were taken advantage of.

Well, ofcourse they were being taken advantage of. But the Zealians did know about the plan. Heck, everyone in the Mammon Machine room knew that it was going to be moved, and wanted to feel the power of Lavos up close for the last time, since from now on, it'd be in the Ocean Palace, draining more energy, faster. Maybe Zeal's plan all along was to awaken Lavo Oo.

Anyway, maybe some Earthbound ones would think that they'd get glorification if they worked on the palace. Surely, Schala would put a stop to it if Earthbound ones were taken away. I'm not sure that anyone in Algetty says that they were forced into it and that people were taken.

[AuraTwilight]

Number Two (The Earthbounders being more advanced) Is so inaccurate it hurts my brain.

[Salvadeiro]

Those ideas are totally fabricated they weren't meant to be accurate, just ideas that popped into my head.

[Zaperking]

Those ideas are totally fabricated they weren't meant to be accurate, just ideas that popped into my head.

You said you got it after you did some "research".....

[Salvadeiro]

Yeah, after playing the Zeal part (otherwise known to me as "research" hence the quotations.)

[AuraTwilight]

that's not really valid research if the research doesn't give any plausible support for your Zapar-stupid theories.

[Zaperking]

that's not really valid research if the research doesn't give any plausible support for your Zapar-stupid theories.

Oh, For the love of Schala! Use some punctuation!!!! I don't get what you're trying to say.

If you're trying to be malicious (which you almost always are so I think you shouldn't be on this board when you have that time of the month), add something to enlighten us instead.

I didn't say that his research is bad because it contradicts what I usually say. I just don't know where it's coming from. You yourself disagreed about the Earthbounds being more advance. Because half of that stuff (Zealots for one having common families with the Earthbounds, Them constructing the kingdom, and the two groups spliting up) is not mentioned anywhere in the game, except that a few Earthbound ones were used to contruct the Ocean Palace. But I guess people wouldn't be surprised if it was true anyway.
I guess game evidence and inference kind of stuff things up usually. But that's how most analyses get credibility anyway.