MasaMune

[frogrules]

So after Gardia Got destroyed what exactly happend to it?

[AuraTwilight]

1) Gaurdia was not destroyed. Simply defeated.

2) It became corrupted and made it's way over to El Nido.

[JonnyCyo]

Check it out.

Watch the first ending of CT.
Pay attention to Cyrus' sword as it is held when he walks out the door. It is the Masamune. Don't believe? Freeze frame his belt and compare to an in-game shot.
Now watch the ending where Guardia Falls, the same sword, the Masamune, is picked up off the battlefield. It is the same becuase it looks exactly as the one in the hilt previously mentioned.
Therefore, someone from Porre must have taken the weapon, been corrupted, and had it stashed in the mountains.

[Zaperking]

Check it out.

Watch the first ending of CT.
Pay attention to Cyrus' sword as it is held when he walks out the door. It is the Masamune. Don't believe? Freeze frame his belt and compare to an in-game shot.
Now watch the ending where Guardia Falls, the same sword, the Masamune, is picked up off the battlefield. It is the same becuase it looks exactly as the one in the hilt previously mentioned.
Therefore, someone from Porre must have taken the weapon, been corrupted, and had it stashed in the mountains.

Or without Masa and Mune to keep the evil of the sword at bay, anyone who touched it got corrupted, then went on the killing spree, and from the blood, the sword got even more powerful and demonic etc?

[Sentenal]

At some point after CT, Masa and Mune went to sleep.  We don't know when, or how.  In 1005, the Masamune was stolen, and used to massacre a ton of people.  It was mostly this event that turned the sword red and evil looking.  We don't know if it actually became evil at that point, or was already evil since Masa and Mune fell asleep.  After that, there it possible made its way to Denadaro Mts for Radius to kill Gairi, or it made its way to El Nido for Radius to kill Gairi.  I personally believe its the former.  But regardless, after Gairi's death, it was in El Nido.  How it moves from Guardia to (possibly) Denadaro, to El Nido is not known.

[Zaperking]

At some point after CT, Masa and Mune went to sleep.  We don't know when, or how.  In 1005, the Masamune was stolen, and used to massacre a ton of people.  It was mostly this event that turned the sword red and evil looking.  We don't know if it actually became evil at that point, or was already evil since Masa and Mune fell asleep.  After that, there it possible made its way to Denadaro Mts for Radius to kill Gairi, or it made its way to El Nido for Radius to kill Gairi.  I personally believe its the former.  But regardless, after Gairi's death, it was in El Nido.  How it moves from Guardia to (possibly) Denadaro, to El Nido is not known.

We know it can teleport. It teleported out of the pearly gates.

[Chrono'99]

Check it out.

Watch the first ending of CT.
Pay attention to Cyrus' sword as it is held when he walks out the door. It is the Masamune. Don't believe? Freeze frame his belt and compare to an in-game shot.
Now watch the ending where Guardia Falls, the same sword, the Masamune, is picked up off the battlefield. It is the same becuase it looks exactly as the one in the hilt previously mentioned.
Therefore, someone from Porre must have taken the weapon, been corrupted, and had it stashed in the mountains.

It's not Cyrus, he's dead  It was Glenn.

Also, for some reason the Masamune in that ending appears a bit different than how it is during the game. In the official artworks, as well as during the Magic Cave cutscene in FFChronicles, the Masamune appears with a plain, golden cross-guard. But in the first ending cutscene, the cross-guard has a green jewel in its middle. I assume it's how the "Masamune II" is supposed to look (after you do the Cyrus sidequest). In the second ending cutscene (Fall of Guardia), the green jewel is also present.

[JonnyCyo]

Haha ya you got me. Glenn.

Either way tho, I'm talking about the comparison between the ending cutscenes. The scene where Glenn is walking out to the soluting soldiers shows the exact same sword that was picked up off the battlefield at the other ending.
The 'knighting ceremony' happened much after the Magic Cave opening. Therefor, it's the same jewelled sword shown.

[AuraTwilight]

We know it can teleport. It teleported out of the pearly gates.

I thought it was destroyed with the Einlanzer.

[Chrono'99]

We know it can teleport. It teleported out of the pearly gates.

I thought it was destroyed with the Einlanzer.

Then you're wrong. The Masamune teleported somewhere and then returns to Dario when you visit him at Solitary Island. The sword is destroyed only after you defeat Dario.

[Zaperking]

We know it can teleport. It teleported out of the pearly gates.

I thought it was destroyed with the Einlanzer.

Then you're wrong. The Masamune teleported somewhere and then returns to Dario when you visit him at Solitary Island. The sword is destroyed only after you defeat Dario.

I thought the Masamune then merged with the Mastermune, or did Doreen and Masa and Mune just embed themselves in the Sea Swallow? That's like against the wholepoint of the Masamune lool.

[Chrono'99]

We know it can teleport. It teleported out of the pearly gates.

I thought it was destroyed with the Einlanzer.

Then you're wrong. The Masamune teleported somewhere and then returns to Dario when you visit him at Solitary Island. The sword is destroyed only after you defeat Dario.

I thought the Masamune then merged with the Mastermune, or did Doreen and Masa and Mune just embed themselves in the Sea Swallow? That's like against the wholepoint of the Masamune lool.

You see the sword explodes in the air, quite some minutes before the 3 creatures transform (that's the word which is used) Serge's Sea Swallow into the Mastermune. Masa, Mune and Doreen probably "junctioned" themselves with the Sea Swallow like Masa and Mune once junctioned themselves with the Red Knife in CT.

I think it makes more sense than two weapons merging themselves (did we ever see that in the series or in any RPG?)... particularly as the Mastermune does not even look like the Masamune...

[EDIT inserted] Well, forget it, the Mastermune weapon description says "The second advent of the holy sword Masamune" ...[/EDIT]

In any case, the Masamune didn't get destroyed at the Pearly Gates.

[AuraTwilight]

Two worlds, two Masamunes. One can be destroyed in the other while the other appears for that confrontation.

(did we ever see that in the series or in any RPG?)

There's SEVERAL examples. One however, is Tales of Symphonia, when Lloyd's two weapons, the Flamberge and the Vorpal Sword, merge together to become the Eternal Sword.

Well, forget it, the Mastermune weapon description says "The second advent of the holy sword Masamune"

Doesn't mean they're the same. It could be an heir of Masamune, like how Freya in Chobits refers to herself as Chii's other self, when they're really two entirely different entities.

[Chrono'99]

Two worlds, two Masamunes. One can be destroyed in the other while the other appears for that confrontation.

Mmmh... The Pearly Gates is in Home World and the battle against Dario at Solitary Island is in Home World too. I don't get your point. Are you saying that the Masamune can't teleport but can cross dimensions?

Well, forget it, the Mastermune weapon description says "The second advent of the holy sword Masamune"

Doesn't mean they're the same. It could be an heir of Masamune, like how Freya in Chobits refers to herself as Chii's other self, when they're really two entirely different entities.

Maybe, maybe... I always thought that the Mastermune wasn't the Masamune... Only this item description could make one thinks otherwise.

[Zaperking]

Two worlds, two Masamunes. One can be destroyed in the other while the other appears for that confrontation.

Mmmh... The Pearly Gates is in Home World and the battle against Dario at Solitary Island is in Home World too. I don't get your point. Are you saying that the Masamune can't teleport but can cross dimensions?

Well, forget it, the Mastermune weapon description says "The second advent of the holy sword Masamune"

Doesn't mean they're the same. It could be an heir of Masamune, like how Freya in Chobits refers to herself as Chii's other self, when they're really two entirely different entities.

Maybe, maybe... I always thought that the Mastermune wasn't the Masamune... Only this item description could make one thinks otherwise.

The thing is that the Sea Swallow is like made of a big shell+a vine for the holding part or some kind of stone. The Mastermune is metal.... Or in this case, Dreamstone?