Kingdom Hearts II!

[Lordchander]

Final Fantasy charecters and disney do not work. Disney Charecters are just stupid.

Well if so, why was Kingdom Hearts such a big success? It does work, its just that it wouldnt be something ALL Final Fantasy fans would go for.

And like, did you actually expect to be playing a Final Fantasy? Take it as its own game.

[Sentenal]

Final Fantasy charecters and disney do not work.  Disney Charecters are just stupid.

... Yeah, your an idiot.

Anyway, thanks for the spoilers, Silvercry.  Now I don't have to worry about beating Riku's story.

Anyway, whats the offical release date for this game?  I've seen so many different dates, I don't know whats offical anymore.

[Lordchander]

Anyway, whats the offical release date for this game? I've seen so many different dates, I don't know whats offical anymore.

As far as I know, its sometime mid-march i think for America, cant tell you about Europe and Australia though, I can imagine it wouldnt be too long after march.

[Legend of the Past]

Wikipedia spoiled KH II for me, revealing who's DiZ, the origins of Roxas and Namine, etc, etc...

Can't say I'm totally annoyed... I knew the ending for most RPG's I've played...

[Lordchander]

Wikipedia spoiled KH II for me, revealing who's DiZ, the origins of Roxas and Namine, etc, etc...

Too bad. Ive never gone to Wikipedia when it comes to games. I almost clicked the link to the KH2 bit though. I had to try and resist.  

[Mystik3eb]

For cheating, I used a GBA Gameshark. The codes are at gameshark.com. I used max hp, all cards, max cp, max strength, lvl 99. Takes care of everything. And I know what you mean! Until I applied the max strength code, I was STILL struggling with the game! God...fricken...gah!!!

SPOILERS

And Silver...I'm not quite sure what it is you're wanting to confirm...Riku goes through all the Disney worlds, fighting the boss of each one the same way Sora did, although Maleficent is more interesting to him than Sora. But yeah, there is no story about each world, he's just going through each to try to get control over the darkness, and eventually learn to not simply embrace it, but use it to guide him instead of letting it use him.

/SPOILERS

As far as KH2 release, sometime in March...*shrug*...I want EGM. What an awesome magazine.




And yeah, if it hadn't been for the addition of the Disney characters, Kingdom Hearts wouldn't have been NEARLY as awesome. Then again I grew up with all the Disney classics fricken memorized.

[Sentenal]

The only time I ever went on Wikipedia for a game was after I beat Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2.  I wanted to see if there was anything about Revan that I missed in KOTR2.

[Hadriel]

Honestly, I've never been able to stomach the concept of Kingdom Hearts.  Call me jaded, but I honestly don't think that most of the new Disney stuff is fit to interact with Final Fantasy.  Putting Sephiroth, a mass-murdering badass who almost destroys the world and kills everyone on it so he can be reborn as a crazy god who'd then go out and pull the same crap on every civilized planet he can find, in the same game as Donald, Goofy, Mickey and Minnie just never sat well with me.  Not only that, they felt the need to compound the atrocity by introducing every cheap character they've created and/or stolen in the past five years.  There hasn't been a good Disney movie since The Lion King, and including Hercules and Tarzan is outright copyright infringement, in my mind; both characters were around long before Walt Disney even knew what pencil and paper were.  Maybe if they'd kept it with the more serious Disney characters and stuck to the Heartless storyline instead of having it diverge all over the place, I would have found it more palatable.

[Sentenal]

Hadriel, did you actually play it...?  Because thats what most people I know thought about the game before they actually did play it.

[Legend of the Past]

Maybe if they'd kept it with the more serious Disney characters and stuck to the Heartless storyline instead of having it diverge all over the place, I would have found it more palatable.

..That, and 60% shorter. Excuse me, I don't want a 10 hours game, Hadriel. >_>

[Lordchander]

And yeah, if it hadn't been for the addition of the Disney characters, Kingdom Hearts wouldn't have been NEARLY as awesome. Then again I grew up with all the Disney classics fricken memorized.

Thats exactly the reason why Kingdom Hearts was DIVERSE. It wasnt a Final Fantasy (if it was I probably wouldnt have played it) and it wasnt a Disney Game. It was both, which made it great.

Putting Sephiroth, a mass-murdering badass who almost destroys the world and kills everyone on it so he can be reborn as a crazy god who'd then go out and pull the same crap on every civilized planet he can find, in the same game as Donald, Goofy, Mickey and Minnie just never sat well with me.

Thats is why it makes it interesting. Because of these two sets of characters how they can merge into one game.

[Mystik3eb]

Hadriel, did you actually play it...?  Because thats what most people I know thought about the game before they actually did play it.

The same thing I would've asked. Hadriel, you should play it before bashing it anymore.

Besides, Sephiroth sucks, for one thing, and for another he's merely an optional hard-ass boss in a colliseum.

Hercules and Tarzan are the only two Disney movies after Lion King...all the others are before that.

And the focus of the story IS the Heartless, and Sora, Riku and Kari's relationship and friendship up and downs, their discovery of darkness and light, and all that.

And Maleficent has gotta be the greatest Disney villain ever. Followed by Hades. Cuz James Woods is totally awesome.

[Hadriel]

Hadriel, did you actually play it...?  Because thats what most people I know thought about the game before they actually did play it.

The same thing I would've asked. Hadriel, you should play it before bashing it anymore.

Besides, Sephiroth sucks, for one thing, and for another he's merely an optional hard-ass boss in a colliseum.

Hercules and Tarzan are the only two Disney movies after Lion King...all the others are before that.

And the focus of the story IS the Heartless, and Sora, Riku and Kari's relationship and friendship up and downs, their discovery of darkness and light, and all that.

And Maleficent has gotta be the greatest Disney villain ever. Followed by Hades. Cuz James Woods is totally awesome.

Honestly, I haven't played it.  From everything I've heard on OCR and other gaming sites, the controls and interface are horrible and the storyline is contrived, something about Princesses of Heart and beating up some goo creatures that look like they were sculpted into spider-sicles out of the Black Virus from the X-Files.

As for Hercules and Tarzan being the only two Disney movies after The Lion King, I screwed up; I was thinking of Kingdom Hearts II, where Mulan and a couple of others make an appearance.  But my main contention is still that they weren't originally from Disney, so they shouldn't have been in it.  Maleficent I'll agree with you on; Sleeping Beauty kicked ass, and transforming into a dragon was awesome.  Who else can do that?  (OK, probably plenty of people by now, but who'd done it in cinema before her?)  I also think it's one of the only few times the word "hell" has been used in a Disney piece, along with Gargoyles' David Xanatos and A Night on Bald Mountain.  Jeez louise, that thing gave me nightmares for a week when I saw it.  Of course, I was like three at the time, but still, Satan isn't exactly a guy you'd want to run into in a back alley.  Or even a front alley.  Or just in general.  That's probably the most terrifying incarnation of the devil that's ever been created; Diablo's got nothing on Fantasia.

I'm tempted to pick up KHII because of the Tron world (Bruce Boxleitner = hell yeah) and OMFG, VIVI!!1111  And I love David Boreanaz, and...how the hell did they get all these big names, anyway?

But then I'd have to play through the first KH and Chain of Memories to figure out what the hell's actually going on.  But the game strikes me as exceedingly kiddish.  Actually, I'm probably going to end up playing it at some point anyway, if only so I can get blitzed with it.  I've got malt whiskey, Cheetos, and Newgrounds.  But you know what would make me abandon all doubt and devour the entire series instantaneously?

A Gargoyles world.

That would rule so hard.  I want to kick the shit out of Steel Clan robots at the top of the Empire State Building, and have Goliath throw SUVs at all the sorry bastards who are stupid enough to stand in my way.  I want to commandeer the laser turrets in Macbeth's castle and shoot some fools down, and cast all kinds of whacked-out spells with Puck.  Damn, that would rule.

[Mystik3eb]

Honestly, I haven't played it.  From everything I've heard on OCR and other gaming sites, the controls and interface are horrible and the storyline is contrived, something about Princesses of Heart and beating up some goo creatures that look like they were sculpted into spider-sicles out of the Black Virus from the X-Files.

Well...uhm...I completely disagree with all those opinions. I'm so addicted to Kingdom Hearts, and a HUGE part of that is simply how fun it is to play. Beating the shit outta things has never been so much fun. The controls are NOT horrible, they're wonderful! The interface isn't bad at all...not being able to go in the menu during battle does suck, yes, but otherwise the interface is great! Though being able to open treasure chests should've been easier...it's still not bad at all.

And the storyline is very dark, actually, and not shallow at all. It's complex in it's simplicity. It's very creative. I love it, mostly cuz of the characters. They're just great.

As for Hercules and Tarzan being the only two Disney movies after The Lion King, I screwed up; I was thinking of Kingdom Hearts II, where Mulan and a couple of others make an appearance.  But my main contention is still that they weren't originally from Disney, so they shouldn't have been in it.  Maleficent I'll agree with you on; Sleeping Beauty kicked ass, and transforming into a dragon was awesome.  Who else can do that?  (OK, probably plenty of people by now, but who'd done it in cinema before her?)  I also think it's one of the only few times the word "hell" has been used in a Disney piece, along with Gargoyles' David Xanatos and A Night on Bald Mountain.  Jeez louise, that thing gave me nightmares for a week when I saw it.  Of course, I was like three at the time, but still, Satan isn't exactly a guy you'd want to run into in a back alley.  Or even a front alley.  Or just in general.  That's probably the most terrifying incarnation of the devil that's ever been created; Diablo's got nothing on Fantasia.

Mulan and Pirates is it, I think. Yup. But if you think about it, almost every single Disney movie until Lion King wasn't original, it was based on some tale, myth, or old story or something like that. It's recently that they've been most original and creative.

Oh, btw, the "Night on Bald Mountain" devil is in KH1. Just thought you'd wanna know that.

I'm tempted to pick up KHII because of the Tron world (Bruce Boxleitner = hell yeah) and OMFG, VIVI!!1111  And I love David Boreanaz, and...how the hell did they get all these big names, anyway?

I'm excited about Tron, too.

But then I'd have to play through the first KH and Chain of Memories to figure out what the hell's actually going on.  But the game strikes me as exceedingly kiddish.  Actually, I'm probably going to end up playing it at some point anyway, if only so I can get blitzed with it.  I've got malt whiskey, Cheetos, and Newgrounds.  But you know what would make me abandon all doubt and devour the entire series instantaneously?

KH you will enjoy, especially if you love Zelda. I can...pretty much guaruntee it. CoM...that's a toughy. No one will blame you if you cheat. And if you DO cheat...the shitty gameplay elements go by decently quick, and you get to absord that surprisingly large amount of story the game has to offer.

A Gargoyles world.

That would rule so hard.  I want to kick the shit out of Steel Clan robots at the top of the Empire State Building, and have Goliath throw SUVs at all the sorry bastards who are stupid enough to stand in my way.  I want to commandeer the laser turrets in Macbeth's castle and shoot some fools down, and cast all kinds of whacked-out spells with Puck.  Damn, that would rule.

Agreed.

Know what'd be funny? Flightplan and Sister Act worlds. Hey, they're Touchstone, too!

But Corpse Bride, man, that'd be awesome. It's a hard achievement to outrank Nightmare Before Christmas, and Corpse Bride did it with GUSTO!

[Hadriel]

I'd heard that the Night on Bald Mountain sequence was in KH.  That's the kind of badguy that you don't fuck around with; you go straight to DEFCON 1, call in wings of bombers, and pound it with nukes and MOABs until the entire mountain is a pile of radioactive ash the size of my shoe.  Unfortunately, they didn't see it fit to include advanced or even present-day technology in the game, so I'm guessing that's not an option.

As for CoM, the only game I've ever outright cheated on was F-Zero GX.  Try the first mission in Story Mode on Very Hard.  You need Jedi Master reflexes to get that right.  As it stands, I have Jedi apprentice reflexes.

But now that I think about it, even the most deadly serious games have some lighthearted elements in them.  Chrono is hella serious, and it features an anthropomorphic frog.  FFVII had the cross-dressing sequence; I saved a game right there just so I could play through it as many times as I wanted.  The funny thing is, I could imagine a more philosophical KH-style game with another beloved cast of characters, say for example the various heroes of Nintendo, plus the Looney Tunes.  Maybe it's just because I like Bugs Bunny more, but he'd probably assume the role of an NPC, because from a "real" perspective, Bugs is literally a god; he's completely unkillable, and is only ever defeated for the sake of comedy.  The one thing I'd put in the game, due to the nature of Looney Tunes (aside from an overly pretentious storyline based in philosophy so heavy the Governator couldn't lift it) would be a menu-driven physics engine which actually allows you to alter the in-game laws of physics for a brief period of time in the same way that the cartoon characters do it, similar to noclip functions in FPS games except with far greater utility.  I can only guess at who the superbosses would be, though; that'd have to depend on the other half of the cast.