Dalton's Disappearence and the Golems...

[Tonjevic]

Melchior: You can't find it anymore.  It was a red stone that was once used as
money.  Unfortunately, it hasn't been available for a very long time.

Basically, a very long time. If it's not avaliable in the present 1000AD, then theres no probability if it being there in the future. It's used up. That's why I believe that the last of all found dreamstone was used in the ruby knife, pendant and mammon machine. Actually, There was another quote i think that said that the only things made of the dreamstone "royal red rock" was the mammon machine, and the scraps and left over bits were finished off into the ruby knife and pendant.

As for Zeal, yeah, I don't believe they do anything on DNA etc.
But same with science. Their science is magical. Belthasar is the Guru of Reason and the only scientific genius there in Zeal. But even then, all of his inventions involve magic powering them. The Black Bird is said to resemble that of a bird when it flys, no just an airplane.
Same with the time machine, it was only started, we don't know how it looks if it looks like the Epoch or whatever. And the Ocean palace is like any other building, except underwater. The trouble of building it was most likely solved by using magic so that the water kept away, and the Earthbound ones could work on it.

That was a quote from 1000AD. Presumably, the Zealians had been using it for quite a while and continued to use it once they were down on the planet: there would have had to hve been at least SOME people skilled in the manipulation of dreamstone. If the Zealians had been using it for, say, 10000 years, then there is every likelyhood that they mined it until there was no more. After all, we have almost used all the oil on the planet in less than two hundred years. And we dont have magic.

[Zaperking]

Melchior: You can't find it anymore.  It was a red stone that was once used as
money.  Unfortunately, it hasn't been available for a very long time.

Basically, a very long time. If it's not avaliable in the present 1000AD, then theres no probability if it being there in the future. It's used up. That's why I believe that the last of all found dreamstone was used in the ruby knife, pendant and mammon machine. Actually, There was another quote i think that said that the only things made of the dreamstone "royal red rock" was the mammon machine, and the scraps and left over bits were finished off into the ruby knife and pendant.

As for Zeal, yeah, I don't believe they do anything on DNA etc.
But same with science. Their science is magical. Belthasar is the Guru of Reason and the only scientific genius there in Zeal. But even then, all of his inventions involve magic powering them. The Black Bird is said to resemble that of a bird when it flys, no just an airplane.
Same with the time machine, it was only started, we don't know how it looks if it looks like the Epoch or whatever. And the Ocean palace is like any other building, except underwater. The trouble of building it was most likely solved by using magic so that the water kept away, and the Earthbound ones could work on it.

That was a quote from 1000AD. Presumably, the Zealians had been using it for quite a while and continued to use it once they were down on the planet: there would have had to hve been at least SOME people skilled in the manipulation of dreamstone. If the Zealians had been using it for, say, 10000 years, then there is every likelyhood that they mined it until there was no more. After all, we have almost used all the oil on the planet in less than two hundred years. And we dont have magic.

........ Only Melchior, Gaspar and Belthasar had the skills and power to mess with dreamstone.. And dreamstone has only been shown to be able to be processed using magic...

[GrayLensman]

........ Only Melchior, Gaspar and Belthasar had the skills and power to mess with dreamstone.. And dreamstone has only been shown to be able to be processed using magic...

If item names and official artwork are anything to go by, the IoKa Clan could make artifacts out of Dreamstone in 65 million BC.

[Zaperking]

........ Only Melchior, Gaspar and Belthasar had the skills and power to mess with dreamstone.. And dreamstone has only been shown to be able to be processed using magic...

If item names and official artwork are anything to go by, the IoKa Clan could make artifacts out of Dreamstone in 65 million BC.

Well, i'm talking about at the time of 12,000BC. Besides, I highly doubt the Iokans were able to process the dreamstone. They probably just crafted it into shapes etc, or in a raw state. But not processed it.

[Tonjevic]

The point is that if the Iokans were able to find and use dreamstone then the post Fall Zealians would have been able to also. Presumeabley Dreamstone would be extremely uselful in its raw form, and comparable to diamonds in that they are impractical sometimes, but can be put to good use.
Even if it wasnt able to be used, the allure of it would attract people to use it as jewelry or a status symbol  or, hearkening back to the roots of humanity, as a form of currency. From what we see, dreamstone is not ugly.

[Zaperking]

The point is that if the Iokans were able to find and use dreamstone then the post Fall Zealians would have been able to also. Presumeabley Dreamstone would be extremely uselful in its raw form, and comparable to diamonds in that they are impractical sometimes, but can be put to good use.
Even if it wasnt able to be used, the allure of it would attract people to use it as jewelry or a status symbol  or, hearkening back to the roots of humanity, as a form of currency. From what we see, dreamstone is not ugly.

Except that we don't know that it was used. The Iokan's gave us ruby items, not dreamstone items. And even then, the fact that Melchior has to use magic to shape it shows that the humans without it could not have easily done anything to it, but it's red so it's a status symbol of power.

[JossiRossi]

........ Only Melchior, Gaspar and Belthasar had the skills and power to mess with dreamstone.. And dreamstone has only been shown to be able to be processed using magic...

MELCHIOR: To repair the Masamune, we
   must process the Dreamstone, and
   activate the sword.

   You work on the Dreamstone, and I'll
   work on the sword.

Lucca: OK!
   Leave it to Lucca the Great!

Lucca: Gonna be mighty busy!

*or depending on whose in the party*
Robo: Understood.

Robo: First, the tools...

Lucca or Robo are asked to process to dreamstone. Lucca has magic, but Robo does not. So you don't need magic to process dreamstone. It might just have to do with having the knowledge to do so. I dunno where you get your ideas sometimes Zaper.

[SilentMartyr]

The point is that if the Iokans were able to find and use dreamstone then the post Fall Zealians would have been able to also. Presumeabley Dreamstone would be extremely uselful in its raw form, and comparable to diamonds in that they are impractical sometimes, but can be put to good use.
Even if it wasnt able to be used, the allure of it would attract people to use it as jewelry or a status symbol  or, hearkening back to the roots of humanity, as a form of currency. From what we see, dreamstone is not ugly.

Except that we don't know that it was used. The Iokan's gave us ruby items, not dreamstone items. And even then, the fact that Melchior has to use magic to shape it shows that the humans without it could not have easily done anything to it, but it's red so it's a status symbol of power.

Durka?

http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/index.php?title=Dream_Bow

http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/index.php?title=Dream_Gun

[AuraTwilight]

Pwned.

[Chrono'99]

Pwned.

Well then prove us that Golems are made of Dreamstones, as you claimed.

[AuraTwilight]

I really don't care what the Golems are made of. For all I care they can be made out of mud. "Probably made out of dreamstone or something." Seeing as how Zeal is gung-ho with Dreamstone, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Tonjevic]

They certainly dont LOOK like they are made out of it, not being red and all. But then the masamune isn't red, is it?

[Chrono'99]

They certainly dont LOOK like they are made out of it, not being red and all. But then the masamune isn't red, is it?

Processed Dreamstone is never red (Masamune, Pendant, Mammon Machine especially in the Black Omen), only raw Dreamstone is.

[JossiRossi]

They certainly dont LOOK like they are made out of it, not being red and all. But then the masamune isn't red, is it?

Processed Dreamstone is never red (Masamune, Pendant, Mammon Machine especially in the Black Omen), only raw Dreamstone is.

That we are aware of. You can't prove a negative idea, only a positive idea.

We can say that Dreamstone can be different colors than red after processing though.

[Zaperking]

The point is that if the Iokans were able to find and use dreamstone then the post Fall Zealians would have been able to also. Presumeabley Dreamstone would be extremely uselful in its raw form, and comparable to diamonds in that they are impractical sometimes, but can be put to good use.
Even if it wasnt able to be used, the allure of it would attract people to use it as jewelry or a status symbol  or, hearkening back to the roots of humanity, as a form of currency. From what we see, dreamstone is not ugly.

Except that we don't know that it was used. The Iokan's gave us ruby items, not dreamstone items. And even then, the fact that Melchior has to use magic to shape it shows that the humans without it could not have easily done anything to it, but it's red so it's a status symbol of power.

Durka?

http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/index.php?title=Dream_Bow

http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/index.php?title=Dream_Gun

Lol, my mistake.

BUT.. AND A BIG BUT... How the hell cn pre historic people make guns? Obviously, this is just for game purposes. They maybe made a dreamstone bow... but really.. a gun... Like hardly anyone in 1000 AD has a gun, and these people magically have it.

As for Robo, his lasers etc as Spekkio said repecate Shadow magic, so it wouldn't be any surprise to me if he could use his power to not only compress it but heat it up too.

Young Man]
   The 3 Gurus made the Mammon
   Machine from the royal family's red
   rock.
   
   Melchior, who has studied much about
   Lavos, was in charge of the plans.
   But then he disappeared...

 [Young Man]
   Schala's pendant was made from the
   same red rock as the Mammon
   Machine.
   
   When she chants, the pendant glows.

Since it is only the ROYAL FAMILY'S red rock, i'd think it wouldn't be in a vast supply, and it seems the Mammon Machine, Ruby Knife and Pendant were all that was made of it.