Nadia's Ancestry, Nu, Entity, Cats, and Names

[ms0019]

I just found this site recently and I really like some of the work that’s been done.  I am a long-time fan of CT, but it’s been a long time since I played.  However back when the game came out for SNES I played the hell out of it and I kept notes on my theories.  After reading some of the articles here I feel I would like to put in my two cents on several topics.  Some of it may be obvious, some of it may be new.  Hopefully it sheds a slightly different light on things.  If any of this is off topic for this forum, I apologize in advance.

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NADIA’S LINE

I always thought Ayla was the original ancestor (queen / tribe leader in 65000000BC possessing dreamstone).  Her descendants were Queen Zeal (what IS her real name?) and Schala (queen and princess respectively in 12000BC possessing pendant / mammon machine / dreamstone).  Schala’s descendants started the Guardia line and included Queen Leene (who had the pendant), Aliza (who had the pendant), and Nadia (who of course has the pendant).  How Schala managed to have children I do not know, unless they belong to Janus.  Janus has -A- pendant given to him by Schala, but it isn’t -THE- pendant…

Ayla -> Queen Zeal / Schala / Janus -> Leene -> Aliza -> Nadia

Also, I always thought the ending showed Ayla and Kino having a rather adult relationship, so Kino is my guess at Ayla’s partner in starting the line.

Examine this dialog, from one of the endings:

     Marle: You're all leaving?
     Ayla: Crono was strong!  Marle too!  Ayla have fun!!
     Marle: You're my distant ancestor. So you'd better have tough kids or    
               I'll be in trouble!
     KINO: Heh, heh!  No worry.  Ayla VERY strong!
     Marle: Right!
     Marle: Hey...what do you mean by that?
     Ayla: Kino dummie!  We go now!

Also, from earlier in the game, Ayla says: Kino is man... so if Ayla
   die, Kino chief then.

The ancenstral line above has a representative in every time period playable in the game except for 2300AD, but I'm not sure that matters much.
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NU

I know a lot of people seem quick to dismiss the Nu as being a whole lot of interesting things that add up to nothing special, but I feel I need to say a bit more on the subject.

I have long believed that Nu is the Entity.  There seem to be a few holes in this theory, but also some strong points.  The Nu is certainly a recurring and almost central character to the entire story, even though it never really has the focus.

Descriptions of the Entity include:
   
   Wanted to relive its past
   
   When people die, elders say, see whole life pass by!
   
        mortals do relive their most profound memories before death
        claimeth them

   Lavos playeth an integral role in the fortunes of this Entity

        It is unknown, whose memories these are. It may be something
        beyond our comprehension.

        Our journey may come to an end when we finally discover the
        identity of the Entity

That last point is a little troubling.  The ONLY being I can think of right now that DOES fit that description is the Lavos core.  That seems a little silly to be the entity…

Other Nu factoids / inferences / theories:

Nu exists in all time periods.  It has its own thoughts and memories, and it stores the data / memories of others.  Nu almost seems to be some creature that has characteristics of both a normal living thing and a robot / machine.

All life begins and ends with Nu – it seems to be both the lowest and highest form of life.  It has a primordial look and exists in 65000000 BC, yet Spekkio in his highest form appears as a Nu.  It is a servant to Belthazar, and maybe a servant to all life – charm Nu for mop (think janitor, cleaning up the messes of others).  Nu is also a guardian, a merchant, a philosopher, a warrior, a philanthropist (sometimes gives party stuff for free), and a ‘namer’.  Also Nu has the ‘third eye’ item (but so does Nizbel – took it from a Nu?), which in philosophical terms is very advanced (I had been reading on this site or another about links to Indian culture in both CT and CC).

Nu also hates liars, loves pranks, and loves to be scratched.

The Nu in 1000AD also exists in 12000BC (13,000 years was a long time.  Belthasar, I shall see you shortly...).  Since this Nu disappears, he may also be the one in 2300AD.  He probably doesn’t die here in 1000AD, as the Nu in 2300AD doesn’t disappear when it gets switched off.

SOME FINAL ODDITIES:

     STRANGE CREATURE: The professor's programming was, in a sense,
     his own eulogy.  Soon, I, too, will be able to sleep forever.  But
     first...There is one thing I must do.
     ......
     ......
     ......
     Program error...my memory banks have failed...

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     STRANGE CREATURE: Scared you, didn't I?
     It's me......BELTHASAR
     I copied my memory into this thing.
     What do you think?

So in summary – I have no idea if Nu is the entity or not, but there is SOME evidence for it, just not air-tight evidence.
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CAT THEME

There certainly seems to be a ‘cat’ theme in the game – Crono’s cat, Bekkler’s cats and cat food, Alfador, GATO, Catalack, the little girl’s cat at the fair, etc

Interestingly, Ayla has a ‘tail’ (okay so it’s not a real tail…), and Nu loves to be scratched.  Of course, in both cases, the same could be said of a lot of other animals.

When CHASING Nu in the 600AD forest, he says: stop it you dog – the only other dog reference of the game is when frog says it of Dalton.
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XR-RX / RX-XR

Tata says: My next goal is to command the Super Legendary Space Ship, XR-RX!

I always thought this was the epoch…

Then there’s the other one:
RX-XR: Greetings, lifeforms!
   I am Rx-xR, the Log Keeper.
   I'll record your 3 fastest times.

I believe this is just an interesting, but pointless sound-alike name having nothing to do with anything.  Just thought I'd call attention to it because it's interesting.
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CHARACTER NAMES

I also became obsessed with alternate / real character names for a while.  For example, the obvious ones:
Frog – Glenn
Marle – Nadia
Magus – Janus
Robo – R66-Y

But then I could never find alternate names for the other three characters Crono, Ayla, and Lucca.

Taban’s counterpart in 600 AD is Banta, but it doesn’t make sense for Lucca to be called Caluc in 1000 AD.  I experimented with the idea of Crono as Nu, but I have no evidence whatsoever of this connection.  I really couldn’t even guess a name for Ayla.  I doubt there really are alternative names for EVERY character, but if somebody can figure out some more it'd be cool.

[fxar99]

About Nadia's Bloodline

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About Nu

About the Entity

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The cat theme is interesting, but if you have played Chrono Cross, you'll see it is far more obvious there. I always thought that when the Nu in 600 calls you 'dog', it uses it to insult you. I don't know...

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The 'RX-XR' thingy is interesting, too, but I suspect this is about translation, not original script. We must wait for the Chrono Trigger Retranslation to complete in order to see if there is any similarity in the names.

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I think Crono has a nickname in the Japanese version. Robo also has the nickname Prometheus. Ayla and Lucca don't seem to have nicknames

You might fight this topic interesting, as well.

[Zaperking]

Just a thing on Schala....
CC kind of proves that Marle is not her decendant. If it was so, Marle would atleast have blue hair.

Also, It's more widly thought that The Laburians are the ancestors of the Zealian royal family.

[fxar99]

Just a thing on Schala....
CC kind of proves that Marle is not her decendant. If it was so, Marle would atleast have blue hair.

Also, It's more widly thought that The Laburians are the ancestors of the Zealian royal family.

This is not evidence, since Schala may be blonde. But even if her hair is blue, it doesn't mean anything. Your hair color is definitely not the same as the hair color of all of your ancestors.

And the prehistoric village is Laruba, so the villagers are called... Larubians(?).

[ms0019]

fxar99: thanks for pointing out that discussion on Nadia's Bloodline - I completely hadn't seen that.  Sorry about posting a new thread about it, especially as the other one was so recent...

I had actually read the article about Nu, but I felt it was missing a few things.  Perhaps they were trivial, but I wanted to be thorough on the subject.

I did play CC when it came out, however I'm one of the idiots who didn't get it as a sequal (I understand much better now, though not yet completely).  Sadly, at this point, I can't remember a single cat reference in CC, but I believe you when you say there were many obvious ones.

[ZeaLitY]

Here's the real Entity thread:

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=221

[Zaperking]

Just a thing on Schala....
CC kind of proves that Marle is not her decendant. If it was so, Marle would atleast have blue hair.

Also, It's more widly thought that The Laburians are the ancestors of the Zealian royal family.

This is not evidence, since Schala may be blonde. But even if her hair is blue, it doesn't mean anything. Your hair color is definitely not the same as the hair color of all of your ancestors.

And the prehistoric village is Laruba, so the villagers are called... Larubians(?).

If you look at Marle's grandmother's, they're all blonde. Plus, it was a joke. Probably valid anyway.

[AuraTwilight]

The only problem with the Zeal and Guardia lines being connected is that Queen Zeal only had two children. Schala and Janus. Schala got sucked into the DBT till long after Marle's birth anyway, and Janus got warped to 600 AD when he was a child, where the Guardia line was already prospering.

[Chrono'99]

The only problem with the Zeal and Guardia lines being connected is that Queen Zeal only had two children. Schala and Janus. Schala got sucked into the DBT till long after Marle's birth anyway, and Janus got warped to 600 AD when he was a child, where the Guardia line was already prospering.

Ayla got sucked into the End of Time or whenever till long after Marle's birth, yet during the ending Lucca still states that Kino and Ayla are Marle's ancestors. During the whole game Guardia and Marle shouldn't exist because Ayla didn't return to 65,000,000BC "yet".

[Zaperking]

The only problem with the Zeal and Guardia lines being connected is that Queen Zeal only had two children. Schala and Janus. Schala got sucked into the DBT till long after Marle's birth anyway, and Janus got warped to 600 AD when he was a child, where the Guardia line was already prospering.

Ayla got sucked into the End of Time or whenever till long after Marle's birth, yet during the ending Lucca still states that Kino and Ayla are Marle's ancestors. During the whole game Guardia and Marle shouldn't exist because Ayla didn't return to 65,000,000BC "yet".

Maybe Kino is the true direct ancestor, and it's just Ayla who had the child. If Kino had a child with another woman, he'd still be the ancestor right? Maybe Ayla and Kino got married, but Ayla died before they had kids or something, so it wouldn't matter in the end that way.

[ChronoMagus]

People have agreed that Ayla was probably the ancestor... its just that temporal inertia or other theories prevent from paradoxs and wierd things from occuring.

[AuraTwilight]

Ayla got sucked into the End of Time or whenever till long after Marle's birth, yet during the ending Lucca still states that Kino and Ayla are Marle's ancestors. During the whole game Guardia and Marle shouldn't exist because Ayla didn't return to 65,000,000BC "yet".

But Schala never returns to Zeal and we god well know that Magus is too badass to have a brat around the dark fortress. And Ayla could be written off as Time Traveler's Immunity. Maybe the Entity gave her a free pass to leave without mucking up the timeline.

[JossiRossi]

Maybe the Entity gave her a free pass to leave without mucking up the timeline.

All aboard! Now boarding the Plothole Express. Making stops at doesn't make sensetown, breaks continuityville, and disregards precidentsburg! Making final calls for the Plothole Express!


(Sorry that's all I could think of when I read that, not really any help to the conversation)

[Zaperking]

Maybe the "Base Timeline" helps out the Ayla paradox. Because there is a base timeline, Ayla is still one day to bare children, so it still happens. But Marle dissapeared because time was changed ontop of the base timeline, causing the probability of Marle to not be saved, maybe if Crono and Lucca had not gone to the cathederal, found the pin and found the secret door etc.

[Ruby Raider]

Marle say that to ayla because Aylas is actually one of the first humas and if she died somebody never born...
So she say that cause she is a preystoric woman what means she gave birht to socyeti itself...