Lavos - Dungeons and Dragons conversion

[Fieari]

Hey.  I'm a long time Chrono Trigger/Cross fan, and also a fan of the pen and paper game Dungeons and Dragons, particularly at higher levels of play, where you start being able to do some really insanely powerful things.  A little while ago, someone suggested that Lavos looked a bit like the Tarrasque from D&D, and wondered if Lavos might actually be one.

Well, this got me thinking.  The Tarrasque, in my opinion, is far too weak to be Lavos... despite being nigh-impossible to kill and a living natural disaster destroying everything in its path-- it still doesn't have the power to devestate an entire planet.  The Tarrasque doesn't even have the combat ability of Lavos, who can send forth huge attacks that devestate everything it wants to devestate!

Furthermore, on the map screens, and the "Historical Record" video, Lavos is comparable in size to entire cities.  Now, I know the close up view doesn't make Lavos nearly so large... but it go me thinking.  What if you scaled up a Tarrasque in size until it was as large as a city?

This is what I came up with.

When I came across this little community, I thought you might be able to critique the stats I listed.  How authentic do you think it is?  It almost entirely uses only rules from D&D, and is a very simple upscale of a Tarrasque... but the fact that increasing the size like that gave the creature something remarkably similar to "Destruction Rains from the Heavens" was enough to make me think I had something going on...

Now, the one objection I have to my version of Lavos here, is that with these abilities, there is no possible way Chrono and company could have defeated the brute, given the things they were and were not able to do.  My thoughts are, that if you determine capabilities for Lavos with the understanding that three kids defeated him in combat, even three kids with loads of combat experience and powerful magic, you're going to come up with different results than if you consider a Lavos that decimated a planet.  I'll just call Chrono being able to survive a Lavos attack (at the end of the game) and being able to defeat the brute artistic license, and ignore it for the moment.  I'm focused on Lavos: Devourer of Worlds, not Lavos: Chrono's Personal Chew Toy.

My other problem involves the fact that I couldn't quite get Lavos to be capable of launching himself into orbit under his own power... not quite.  Excape Velocity is hard to reach under the D&D rules.

[GrayLensman]

I find this rather interesting.  I'm curious what an actual build of Lavos would be like.

Incidentally, I once determined that Lavos withstood the equivalent of 100 Teratons of TNT when it impacted the earth in 65 million BC, which is oddly similar to the results of your Tarrasque build.  As for damage, the destruction on the Day of Lavos would have to be a few orders of magnitude greater.

[SilentMartyr]

Wow thats really cool. All we need now is to make the group and we can so a simulated D&D battle!!


Okay I'm done. But I do think that this is a very interesting way to approach this. There isn't any creatures that resemble the two cores? I haven't played in five years or so, so there might be a bunch of new enemies. I would like to see both cores too, just to see the relation to the shell.

[AuraTwilight]

Fieari, you kick ass. Seriously. I love you.

[Fieari]

Hmm.. the core.  Wasn't the core humanoid in shape?  How many times larger than Chrono & co. was it, do you remember?  I'm thinking an outsider would do... paragon, legendary, creature of legend, amidah, flaga, and a bunch of class levels stacked on top.  Maybe even some divine ranks.  The CR would probably be far lower than Lavos, but then, that's why the core is inside Lavos in the first place.



Edit--By the way, For those of you who don't speak geek (don't know the rules of D&D), here's a few specs that might not be obvious for this version of lavos:

Normal Land Speed: 40 feet per second = 144,000 feet per hour = a mere 27 miles per hour.  Compared to Lavos's size, this is sluglike... I mean, it can outrun you, but get in your car and you can probably run...

Rush Land Speed: 320 feet per second = 1,152,000 feet per hour = 218 miles per hour.  So if it needs to, it can catch up to most jets, for short bursts of speed.

Note that these are "walking" speeds.  Running speeds are 4x the above, namely, 108 mph and 872 mph respectively.  Lavos can briefly break the sound barrier by running (sound barrier = 761 mph).

Everything else -should- be self explanatory, but let me know if you don't understand something.

[Chrono'99]

Here's the Lavos Core:



He's pretty big, maybe 2.5 or 3 times taller than the party.

[ChronoMagus]

The bits are only slightly smaller than the size of the party memebers.

[Fieari]

Alright.  We'll call Stage 3 (the core core) Large in size, Stage 2 would be Huge.  The bits could be medium or Small, but since the party members are mostly kids, I'd say it'd be safe to make the bits Small.

I'm looking for some good creatures to template up.  I'm thinking a heavily templated Ogre, for Stage 3?  And either a golem or an immobile inevitable for Stage 2... a construct definitely.

Some form of Ooze for the inside bits.  

The outside bits are handled via Manifest DNA already.

What do you think?

(By the way, I calculated how much 100 TT would be in D&D terms, and it works out to 3924d6 bludgeoning damage.  This is enough to crack Lavos's shell a little (11% of Lavos's hitpoints), but the damage is fully healed in 14 seconds, so no real big loss.)

[SilentMartyr]

I would go with the Ogre Mage, just to be safe. Since ya know the core has pimpin magic attacks and all.

[Augenstein]

The tarrasque is actually a cryptozoological figure reportedly killed in medieval France. Lavos probably has nothing to do with the tarrascon. Lavos looks more like the Peluda, a biblical creature reportedly also killed in medieval France. Colonists were confused about it because it had, in the bible, refused entry unto Noah's ark. This is uncommon info, so you probably won't see it in most testaments today.

The Tarrasque, in it's original theology, could never create fires or rip holes in time, and was purely earthbound. Lavos could create fires and rip time, and came from someplace most likely besides Earth, although let's not rule out the possibility he was created on earth by humans.

Tarasque:

[AuraTwilight]

although let's not rule out the possibility he was created on earth by humans.

Are you kidding me? We SEE Lavos falling from space in 65,000,000.

[ChronoMagus]

Uhm not only that but, humans were primitive primates who were evolved by the help of Lavos indirectly...  They had no means of developing this mighty deity, and in fact were dependent on it.

[Augenstein]

although let's not rule out the possibility he was created on earth by humans.

Are you kidding me? We SEE Lavos falling from space in 65,000,000.

Uhm not only that but, humans were primitive primates who were evolved by the help of Lavos indirectly...  They had no means of developing this mighty deity, and in fact were dependent on it.

I explained in another topic that Lavos may have been launched into space by humans, where it ended up travelling around the universe at a speed that caused it to go back in time. It went around the universe and hit the earth, and what I did not already explain was since it already had absorbed the DNA of other humans, it was able to cause human evolution to occur earlier than it should've. The encounter with a time rip may also allow it to absorb the physical data of the time rip, giving him the ability to create others. Just a theory.I explained in another topic that Lavos may have been launched into space by humans, where it ended up travelling around the universe at a speed that caused it to go back in time. It went around the universe and hit the earth, and since it already had absorbed the DNA of other humans, it was able to cause human evolution to occur earlier than it should've. The encounter with a time rip may also allow it to absorb the physical data of the time rip, giving him the ability to create others. Just a theory.

[Tonjevic]

You do realise that speed doesnt make you go back in time. It just slows your passage through time relative to everything else. It is literally impossible to go back in time, and it is MORE likely that lavos was created by some other race who live a billion years ago, and he hurtled around, and while he aged only a little, the rest of the universe had progressed many aeons. Either way, the theory is a little screwy. I don't believe that Lavos was manufactured, and rather he augmented himself.

Also this quote:

Now I understand...

It lives on a planet for as long as
possible, stealing away the most vital
resources...

It combined the DNA it found here
with its own, and gave birth to those
creatures up on Death Peak.

Eventually the young must migrate to
other planets...to repeat the cycle...

Implies that lavos WASN'T manufactured, and is just a creature repeating the cycle.

[Chrono'99]

It is literally impossible to go back in time

Are you KIDDING?