Belthasar

[Charlemagne]

In the encyclopedia section of this website it has this to say about Belthasar...

"Belthasar's dialogue suggested a quick wit and a presence of joviality. A common misconception regarding his lines in the Keeper's dome about missing Schala's presence and a warning to not climb Death Peak are often believed as conveying that Schala is in the future, and wants to ascend the peak. This has no support, however, and his words are intended to warn Crono's party of the danger"

But I cant remember a time in CT when he makes refrence to Schala in the Keeper's Dome. Maybe I'm over looking somthing, or perhaps I have forgotten it.  Is it from the japanese version of the game or somthing? I'm lost.


And another question. After magus summons Lavos... was he sent dirrectly to 12000 B.C.? Or was he sent back to 65000000 B.C. with everyone else and used the gate that lavos created when he landed? Can Magus even use the gates without the key?

[Radical_Dreamer]

This dialogue can be found if you visit the Keeper's Dome upon first arriving in 2300A.D.

[Charlemagne]

Oh I remember now. Thanks! That was answered pretty quickly. I guess Chrono Trigger is still going strong. It deserves it!

What about my Magus question? Got any idea about that? I guess he would have had to have been there a while before Chrono and the gang have been there...

[Chrono'99]

And another question. After magus summons Lavos... was he sent dirrectly to 12000 B.C.? Or was he sent back to 65000000 B.C. with everyone else and used the gate that lavos created when he landed? Can Magus even use the gates without the key?

The easier answer is that yes Magus went to 12,000 BC directly. I don't think he would have been able to make his way to Zeal if he appeared in 65M BC (he would have to steal Lucca's Gate Key, but we know he didn't).

Another theory is that since the party and Magus were more than 3 people using a Gate, they all appeared at the End of Time. Gaspar would then have thrown the party to 65M BC and Magus to 12,000 BC while they were all still sleeping...

[fxar99]

Perhaps having the key caused the gate to treat the party in a different way than Magus.

Or the party was treated differently due to the big amount of time travels they had been through.

Or this special gate didn't have a standard time moment as target. Perhaps the party fell immediately and got to 65,000,000 BC while Magus managed to keep himself from time travelling (for a few seconds) causing the gate to change its target.

Or, again since this gate was special, it couldn't "connect" to the end of time, so it split its members to two different time periods. It sent three of them (the maximum) to 65,000,000 BC and the one left to 12,000 BC. The three who were sent to 65,000,000 BC were the party, maybe because they were closer to each other (Magus was standing on the other side of the gate) or ...randomly.

[ibax7588]

I always viewed the gate Lavos opened in 600 AD much like the one opened in the Ocean Palace in 12,000 BC. Both gates were huge rifts in time space that sent different sets of characters to different time periods. The only common thread that kept a group together was the inclusion of the Gate Key as a variable which somehow allowed groups of three to travel together despite the effects of the gate on others present.

Also, to answer this question with another question...

I always assumed that Lavos killed Magus in 600 AD when he was summoned. This would explain Magus' sudden disappearance and the defeat of the Mystics. If this is the case, then is it possible that Lavos manipulated the gate that opened at Magus' castle to separate the two parties? This would explain sending Crono and company to 65,000,000 BC and keeping them together because of the effects of the Gate Key and sending Magus back to 12,000 BC, where Lavos would encounter him again at the Ocean Palace and be able to finish him off.

[SilentMartyr]

I always assumed that Lavos killed Magus in 600 AD when he was summoned. This would explain Magus' sudden disappearance and the defeat of the Mystics. If this is the case, then is it possible that Lavos manipulated the gate that opened at Magus' castle to separate the two parties? This would explain sending Crono and company to 65,000,000 BC and keeping them together because of the effects of the Gate Key and sending Magus back to 12,000 BC, where Lavos would encounter him again at the Ocean Palace and be able to finish him off.

 
I'll try and give my opinion without sparking yet another OMGAWSH ENTITY thread.

Based from this statement I want to say you are assuming that Lavos is sentient. So if it is sentitent, why would it knownigly send the group and Magus to completely different times? Why wouldn't it just kill them, which is most likely what had happened to Magus in the original timeline? It's not like the group is strong enough to take Lavos down. Hell even if they fought with Magus there would still be no chance at that point. It makes no sense for Lavos to just chuck these guys into a different era when it could just as easily kill them.

[Mystik3eb]

I agree with the "they went to the EoT and Gaspar chucked them where they belonged" idea. Fits with the Conservation of Time bullshit theorm-majigger.

[SilentMartyr]

That makes no sense though. The gate to 12,000 is not present until the group enters the gate, so how could Gaspar have thrown Magus in that gate if it isn't there yet?

[Mystik3eb]

He gave Magus to Belthasar, who warped him there in the Epoch. I guess.

Or we can remember the two gates that were already present and untravelled-through when the party first arrived at the EoT, showing that not all gates are opened at the EoT by one of each pair being traveled through.

[SilentMartyr]

Remember which gates those were? I do. 65,000,000 and 1000 Medina. Now it's obvious how the 1000 Medina gate was formed, Melchiors trip through the gate would have activated it. But the 65,000,000...can only be explained via theory.

Basically I think that Kino isn't from 65,000,000. If you recall a woman from 65,000,000 says that Kino was found at the mountain.

[Woman]
   You came from mountain?
   Many strange things happen there.
   That's why name Mystic Mountain.

   Find baby Kino crying on mountain too.
   Chief raise Kino.
   Now chief's right arm.

I believe that Kino was gated from somewhere to Mystic Mountain. I don't know why, how, or by who but it makes little sense otherwise for that gate to be there.

[Mystik3eb]

That's a possibility. I STILL haven't seen that quote in-game, and it's driving me bonkers.

[SilentMartyr]

Go there before you get the hero medal, or basically anytime before you need to get Dreamstone. It only comes up before then.

[ibax7588]

It makes no sense for Lavos to just chuck these guys into a different era when it could just as easily kill them.

My bad there SilentMartyr, I really didn't take into account the fact that the Conservation of Time theory would require in fact that 4 people be sent to the EoT. That makes perfect sense too because when the Ocean Palace disaster did occur, there were only three people that returned to the palace after Crono's death, Magus and two other individuals.

On a purely speculative basis though, I'm a tad confused over the concept of the gates at the EoT. I'm aware of the idea that only after traveling through a gate with your party is it accessible among those at the EoT, but according to Gaspar...

Disturbances in the space-time
   continuum have increased recently.
   Far too many folks are just popping
   in here...

According to Gaspar, many travelers have been popping in and out of the EoT, so why is there a finite number of gates and none that these "other travelers" have used in the past. Just out of curiosity, is it possible that whatever controls these gates, be it the planet or the entity, is selective and only allows particular travelers to use the gates that they have discovered so far? That may explain a way that Gaspar linked to the year 12,000 BC directly. Just a thought...

[Chrono'99]

That makes no sense though. The gate to 12,000 is not present until the group enters the gate, so how could Gaspar have thrown Magus in that gate if it isn't there yet?

The party hadn't gone to 12,000 B.C. yet, but what about Magus? Maybe Gaspar was able to throw Magus in the Gate to 12,000 B.C. because Magus already used that Gate (or at least already time traveled from 12,000 B.C. to some other era, 600 A.D.).