Fates of the Chrono Trigger Team - Discussion

[Sentenal]

On Frog:  Frog is the only person of the CT cast not to have a picture in Lucca's orphanage, and I think there is a reason behind it.

Mother Brain:  In the saved Time Line, Mother Brain never went rogue.  It was eventually modified into FATE.

Lucca:  In the CC timeline, I believe that Lucca was kidnapped, and most likely murdered by Lynx.  Lynx launched an attack on her orphanage, and started a fire, thus nullifing her Fire magic, or risk making the fire worse.  She is conserned for her kids running around in the blaze, with those Fire dudes running amock.  Lucca was likely unprepared for the assualt, so didn't have her armor and weapons on her.  We never see a body, so we can't confirm her to be dead in the CC timeline.

In the new one after CC, (and I'm assuming the Burning Orphanage scene did not happen), Lucca lives out a happy life with her kids in the orphange.

Crono & Marle:  Were involved in some "incident".  I believe them to be alive.  Be it in hiding, resistance, or running whats left of Guardia, they are alive.  Hell, maybe the "incident" they are involved in was being launched into a new quest, which would have been covered in Chrono Break.  We don't know.  Lucca's letter implies they are alive, and the letter is dated long after Guardia's fall, the most likely time for their death.  The pictures done by kids in Lucca's orphange are happy pictures that you would do of your hero, not something that you would be mourning.  Plus, they arn't framed, so they are realtivly recent.

[Radical_Dreamer]

On Frog:  Frog is the only person of the CT cast not to have a picture in Lucca's orphanage, and I think there is a reason behind it.

Magus doesn't have one either. And if I recal, there is a sixth drawing, with a splotch of green featured prominently, in the orphanage, but the player cannot view it in great detail. This leaves the ambiguity; Frog has green skin, and Glenn has green hair, and lots of it. Either way, green would figure prominantly in any portrait.

[Sentenal]

Thats right, Magus didn't have a picture either.  Anyone have a screen shot of the green blob picture?

[Zaperking]

There's a picture to the right of Serge that we cannot see since we can only look at the picture ontop of it (which is Lucca and Kid).
There's also the picture in the cornor next to the fire jet which we cannot access either.

[Sentenal]

The one under that Lucca picture looks blue at the bottem.  I'd say thats a Nu.  There any screen shots of the other one we can't see?

[UraRenge]

The one under that Lucca picture looks blue at the bottem.  I'd say thats a Nu.  There any screen shots of the other one we can't see?

I think it is.  It looks like it has the little patch of green hair that Nu have as well.

[Chrono'99]

I once tried to rip the pictures straight from the disc but, since the stuff aren't organized, it was a random search among thousands of random pictures and textures... I managed to find some drawings but not Robo, the "Nu" and the other drawing.

[ZeaLitY]

I just got done scouring over 8000 images. I found no Robo or Marle, so apparently something's wrong. I'm contacting the TIM Viewer author to see if he can edit the program to where it automatically displays an image when you select it (so I don't have to double click over 7,000 times again).

Nevermind, he says he's out of rom hacking right now. I'm going to have to explore other alternatives. I am going to find those pictures.

[ZeaLitY]

Does anyone have a savestate at the fire?

I just went through 8532 with PSicture, and that blue blob isn't ANYWHERE. Neither is the picture of Robo. Im thinking the game is pulling those close-ups from somewhere else in the file that these traditional TIM Viewers and such aren't picking up. Our best bet might be to find some way to debug the game so we can monitor where the Playstation is pulling the data from on the Cross disc when it loads that part of Lucca's house. That is beyond my ability, so I'm going to solicit help at rom hacking forums.

[DeweyisOverrated]

I'm going to agree with cupn00dles here.  I don't see why there has to bea  100% certainty that if Glenn exists again, Magus must be dead due to the duel.   First off, there's the explanation that Magus could ahve jsut lifted the curse himself.  He put it on, why wouldn't he be able to take it off manually as well?

Then my prefered theory, which is that Frog managed to lift it himself.  He bears the Masamune, and the driving theme behind the sword is reflecting one's true inner self.

Of course neither theory has any evidence supporting it, but there's no REAL evidence that for Glenn to exists he MUST have killed Magus either.  It was jsut stated that killing him WOULD lift the curse, not that that was the ONLY way.

[ChronoMagus]

Didnt the PSX version make it so he returned to Glenn either way?
Even if it didn't truly I see no reason for Magus to have died, after Magus had finished off Lavos, his business and battle with Frog was of no importance.  The frog was let free.

[DeweyisOverrated]

Yeah, no matter how you play the game in the PSX version, Glenn appears in human form at the end (at least as far as the anime cutscenese goes).

[Zaperking]

Plotwise, I doubt Magus is supposed to die. No RD or CC then, especially since the creators wanted Magus as Guile, which kind of means that in the grand plan he is still alive.

Also, Zeality, Do you want other pictures? I have Ayla, Crono, Kid and Lucca, Lucca, Marle, and Robo.

[ZeaLitY]

I've got those. I just can't find the actual wall textures for that blue thing and the other image.

[Daniel Krispin]

Plotwise, I doubt Magus is supposed to die. No RD or CC then, especially since the creators wanted Magus as Guile, which kind of means that in the grand plan he is still alive.

Oh, we know HE'S not dead. Kato himself said he looks forward to the noble character of Janus returning.

The others... Glenn's probably dead naturally. Ayla, too. Robo - his fate is well-known. As is Lucca's. Really, only Crono and Marle are unaccounted for. Kato speaks of an 'incident'. I wonder... if someone's killed by another warrior, you don't call it an 'incident' (unless it's just a translation quirk in the interview.) Cyrus wasn't involved in an incident concerning Magus. He was killed by Magus. Were they to have been killed by some threat of force, it seems more natural to say 'they were killed', or maybe a similar thing. They died, they failed... something. But an incident sounds very peculiar, as if Kato had something very specific in mind. And, as he seems to hold that the rise of Porre had extra-temporal aid, I wonder if that isn't one in the same. After all, if someone, by some pseudo-scientific means, is erased from time, or otherwise destroyed or removed, THAT would be called an incident. Say they were drawn into a wormhole, and taken to the End of Time. That's an incident. What happened to Marle at the beginning of CT... well, you get the idea. The point is, for whatever reason, they were removed from the timeline - the ghosts seem to indicate this - and unable to prevent Guardia's defeat by Porre (whether total or partial, I am uncertain.) Now, this doesn't mean they are dead... but something went gravely wrong that they did not anticipate. Till now, I think it is best to label their file as MIA. Kato himself seems to imply that's all that can be said to this point.