Chrono Cross Resolutions Discussion

[grey_the_angel]

Serge is dressed in an Indian wedding saris.

Emphasis on wedding.

also emphasis on indian.

[Magus068]

General observation:It would be really helpful to have a reliable game script of CC at hand.This would give us a great chance to understand the plot.Does someone of you know a link/website wich have something like that?
C. Schala and Kid
I still don't get some statements:
1.Kid/Serge marriage:First, we don't even know exactly who the charachters on the portrait really,Second:how can we that is a marriage?There's not a single statement about a marriage in all the game.

that's indian wedding cloths, and the creators said they did.

No, it's just a Wedding Dress that the character creators thought looked good, with Masatos imput.

Also, Masato didn't state that they got married. He said that the whole Serge and Kid thing was supposed to be a story like how Boy meet Girl, Girl meets Boy etc. etc. There was never any hint on marriage, but he said that their true journey would start after the end of the game. So I guess if thats true, it rules out the Schala/Kid merger, but Schala can go on her own adventure, as we see in the end, if Kid is left with Serge.

So if I wear a wedding tuxedo, does that mean that I'm getting married? What if do that just for kicks?

Zaperking has a point about the wedding dress...

[grey_the_angel]

General observation:It would be really helpful to have a reliable game script of CC at hand.This would give us a great chance to understand the plot.Does someone of you know a link/website wich have something like that?
C. Schala and Kid
I still don't get some statements:
1.Kid/Serge marriage:First, we don't even know exactly who the charachters on the portrait really,Second:how can we that is a marriage?There's not a single statement about a marriage in all the game.

that's indian wedding cloths, and the creators said they did.

No, it's just a Wedding Dress that the character creators thought looked good, with Masatos imput.

Also, Masato didn't state that they got married. He said that the whole Serge and Kid thing was supposed to be a story like how Boy meet Girl, Girl meets Boy etc. etc. There was never any hint on marriage, but he said that their true journey would start after the end of the game. So I guess if thats true, it rules out the Schala/Kid merger, but Schala can go on her own adventure, as we see in the end, if Kid is left with Serge.

So if I wear a wedding tuxedo, does that mean that I'm getting married? What if do that just for kicks?

Zaperking has a point about the wedding dress...

why would you have a photo of you and a girl wearing wedding attire for fun? O.o

[Zaperking]

Serge is dressed in an Indian wedding saris.

Emphasis on wedding.

I don't remember it saying in the book that it was an indian wedding dress.
It could be Zealian for all we know. Remember, Kid's wedding dress in that CC book was a short dress, up to her knees, that was red. And that was labled "Uuedengu doresu" (Wedding Dress). But then in the game, we see Schala wearing it, standing on the beach after the game. The concept book is just that. It can be used in any way, and in any shape or form.

For all we know, its designed as a wedding dress, but it looks good anyway. Also, that pic is very hypocritical of the plot. Why is Schala traversing dimensions, looking for someone, if Kid or their merged version is married to Serge? What, did he die or something? No! And we can't come down to that conclusion because no where in the game is that stated. From out facts, Schala is writing in her journal, and has that picture on her table. Now, it can either be a formal dress, because a wedding dress is formal, and could just be Serge/Janus and Kid/Schala taking a pic. We don't know. Like I said before, it looks very Zealian.

So we can't conclude anything. And even then, just because Masato says something doesn't mean its valid. I don't remember him being the head Scenario writter at all. He may say that Kid and Serge go on a journey after the game, because he wants it. But what about the other scenario writters. Masato's own statement does not hold up because that picture may not have been put in by him. And if it was, then hes contradicting the ending where Schala/Kid (or whatever you may think happened to the two) is hopping through dimensions, looking for someone. And because CC is a sequal to CT, and Schala's journal smartly does not say any names of who shes looking for (Mental note, i just had a thought that Schala "Kid" Zeal may imply that Schala was once called "Kid" or she likes that name and wants it too etc), She may be looking for Janus, as that would smartly tie up the whole affair. ZealitY, you yourself say that CC has no plotholes. Then fix this one, as half of the Magus scenario was dumped, and all we have is a letter, and several bits and coincidences, that aren't coincidences when applied on the Chrono Compendium

[Crawler333]

Well, I'll propose a toast  for Zaperking.What I really wanted to mean is exactly that we don't have any proof of this marriage."The beginning of a true journey" is really poor as a proof of marriage, while it may apply for something really different.

[Crawler333]

Moreover, I always believed, just as Zaperking, that the dresses are Zealian.Maybe the Indian wedding dresses has just been taken as an inspiration for the drawing.It wouldn't be the first time that Chrono series authors took inspiration from real world and/or history.Anyway, my greatest question stays the same: why should Kid/Schala search for Serge AFTER they met each other again,married or not?

[Chrono'99]

why should Kid/Schala search for Serge AFTER they met each other again,married or not?

She shouldn't. Schala "Kid" writes her diary, finds Serge, marries Serge, and someone (she or whoever) reads the book while looking at the photo.

[ZeaLitY]

The captions read, "[Character] in Wedding / Ceremonial Dress"

Right out of http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Chrono_Cross_Resolutions.html .

[Zaperking]

This whole business is very confusing. For one, it can't be an indian sari because the indian culture doesn't even exist in the Chrono World.

Also, a wedding dress/ceremonial dress is formal. The dress Schala wears at the end of the game, when she is standing on Opassa Beach is also called her wedding dress, or atleast i remember someone saying that, which is totally different to that one in the photo.

And another thing, we don't know wether someone is reading it or not. Masato said that Kid and Serge's adventure starts right after the end of CC. Pretty weird because Leena has Serge when they wake up. Unless Serge looks for Kid.
And the other problem is that Schala is writing that journal, because if someone is reading it, it confuses the tale.
If Schala is traversing dimensions looking for someone in our world, it can't be Serge since Masato didn't say that "Schala would on a journey with Serge". It's all to do with Kid. And then again, the ending confuses everything else. If one is to believe that Schala and Kid merged, as the ending journal writer implies and how Schala was speaking once she was freed, this raises more questions.
Also, Schala said in the end that everything would return to normal, as it should be, and Serge will live his life normally, like everyone else. This would not be true, especially for Leena. I guess this isn't a plothole, but the facts clash.
Yes, I did read CC Resolutions on this matter. But im trying to use game only evidence, and not, for instance the "Serge fell into a dimensional warp and Schala looked for Serge". Besides that, I never heard that idea ever posted on these forums :O Also, Schala is still young in the clipscene, the the journal seems pretty odd. Also, note that the journal, the furniture and photo don't look as if they're in our time either.

Also, look at the concept art and that picture. Look at the boys shoes compared to the concept ones. A lot of changes have been made, and as i already raised the point about the other dress being also known as the wedding dress, this whole idea is invalid.

[ZeaLitY]

Except that the captions read The captions read, "[Character] in Wedding / Ceremonial Dress".

[Chrono'99]

Wow, the Indian culture doesn't exist in the Chrono world. Astoundishing. We learn something new everyday.

Also, look at the concept art and that picture. Look at the boys shoes compared to the concept ones. A lot of changes have been made, and as i already raised the point about the other dress being also known as the wedding dress, this whole idea is invalid.

Schala's and Serge's wedding shoes look the same to me in the picture and in the concept art. It doesn't matter if a lot of changes has been made in the game (Harle's appearance, Guile's identity, etc.), because these wedding clothes haven't been changed.

As for the pink dress being also a wedding dress, this has yet to be proven, contrary to the dresses in the photograph.

[Crawler333]

why should Kid/Schala search for Serge AFTER they met each other again,married or not?

She shouldn't. Schala "Kid" writes her diary, finds Serge, marries Serge, and someone (she or whoever) reads the book while looking at the photo.

That's the point, guys: in the ending, the scene in the modern city (if my memory doesn't fail me )is shown AFTER the journal+portrait cutscene.I cannot help but using the game as a reference instead of the most convenient and/or logical conclusion as a basis for theories... that's why I have to suppose that the journal/portrait cutscene happens before the search for Serge (see points 3) 4) and 5) of my post).

About the marriage, the  female charachter in the photo looks much more like Schala than Kid to me (it's just an impression, though).The entry in the caption is a quite valid proof  of the marriage to me, but it doesn't cover any of the others issues I posted on Jun24.

[Chrono'99]

According to your logic, the game should happen WHILE the journal is read (intro, game, ending). Is that what you think?

And what about all the game flashback scenes during the game credits, inserted BETWEEN the different footages of Schala in the modern city?

[Zaperking]

Except that Schala wasn't there in the game. She was in the DBT. And Unless she dreamed and saw what was happening in the outside, I don't know how she'd know anything. Also that may point to the fact that Schala has Kid's memories, but then who is searching for that person. (I think its Janus, not just Serge).

[grey_the_angel]

Except that Schala wasn't there in the game. She was in the DBT. And Unless she dreamed and saw what was happening in the outside, I don't know how she'd know anything. Also that may point to the fact that Schala has Kid's memories, but then who is searching for that person. (I think its Janus, not just Serge).

no. it would have to be serge's memories then, if it was going from the journal, because it takes point from places where neither schala nor kid are nearby, like when serge is turned to lynx, when she's posioned, when she in her nightmare realm.

that negates the use of the journal as anything more then Schala starting off the story.