Marle's dissapearance...

[Durakken]

After a few days of reading all this information and such... I noticed that noone mentioned the obviousness of why might Marle be shunted out temporarily.

There is Time Error Protection answer...

Let's say Marle goes into the past...She is there for at least 1/2 a day the way that she looks and everyone acts before Crono gets there. In that time an order sent throughout the kingdom to stop the search. It obviously takes a bit of time for the message to reach them. The search is not called off and Leene still has a chance at being rescued until everyone knows she is back. This is why Leene doesn't disapear right away. That explains that...but why does she dissapear in the first place? and why isn't Crono and Lucca effected?

It's simple when you look at it from preserving a stable timeline (one that doesn't destroy itself) It is because time does not change because marle is there but rather that time will be destroyed if she is. If marle dissapears, the search is restored and Leene is found and time goes on as if it never happened, but also if it doesn't happen Nadia is born and it does happen. This in effect is why Marle needs to be temporarily deleted or placed in a different place for time being. This would in effect show Temporal Protection of the universe. This is also why Marle reappears after Leene is found because then both can exist without problems.

Crono and Lucca are ineffected because they are not causing instabilities in the timeline and so no reason for it.

It has nothing to do with the "grandfather" paradox per say, but rather fixes it.

[AuraTwilight]

This has been debated forever.

The most simple and least-headache-inducing answer is that the Entity temporarily removed Marle to motivate Crono and Lucca to finish what they've started.

[Mystik3eb]

Or that it's a [forbidden "p" word]

[Burning Zeppelin]

Or the forbidden word, that begins with "N" and ends with "u". Thats right, a Nintendu.

[ChibiBob]

Hell, even Nintendu sounds better than Wii.

-cough.-

Actually, I really like Durakken's theory. I don't know — even if the "the entity did it muaah" explanation is true, Durakken's idea seems more logical to me. He's right, the other search parties wouldn't know instantaneously that the Queen had been found, considering the obvious lack of technology in 600AD. Besides, you could probably take Time Error Protection to that whole Ayla debacle and (for the love of Pete, it would be about time!) solving that paradox as well.

[Sentenal]

Let's say Marle goes into the past...She is there for at least 1/2 a day the way that she looks and everyone acts before Crono gets there. In that time an order sent throughout the kingdom to stop the search. It obviously takes a bit of time for the message to reach them. The search is not called off and Leene still has a chance at being rescued until everyone knows she is back. This is why Leene doesn't disapear right away. That explains that...but why does she dissapear in the first place? and why isn't Crono and Lucca effected?

Everyone in Guardia you talk to knows about 'Leene' being found in the mountains, and Marle still disappears.

It's simple when you look at it from preserving a stable timeline (one that doesn't destroy itself) It is because time does not change because marle is there but rather that time will be destroyed if she is. If marle dissapears, the search is restored and Leene is found and time goes on as if it never happened, but also if it doesn't happen Nadia is born and it does happen. This in effect is why Marle needs to be temporarily deleted or placed in a different place for time being. This would in effect show Temporal Protection of the universe. This is also why Marle reappears after Leene is found because then both can exist without problems.

The Universe doesn't temporarly delete anyone.  Here is why this is either a plot hole, or an "the entity did it":
For this, lets not consider TTI, since obviously, it doesn't help Marle.  Marle goes back, the search is called off for Leene.  Leene therefore dies.  As time progresses there would have never been a Marle to go back in the first place!  The game showed an impossible situation of time.  If, as you say, the universe temporarily deleted her, how did it do this?  Why did it wait until such a convient time, so Crono met up with her?  This magical universe person deletion should have happend before Marle was found, so the search wouldn't be called off in the first place.  It didn't happen like that.

[Magus22]

That's a very good point.

A question . . . when Marle disappeared, how is it that when Lucca stated how if Leene is killed, the Guardia line of woman will cease to exist (true), but how is it possible to get her back? If Marle disappeared like that, then wouldn't it have been too late to have done anything at all?

[AuraTwilight]

Lucca assumed there was still time, since they weren't poofing to the present and forgetting about Marle or anything.

[ChibiBob]

A question . . . when Marle disappeared, how is it that when Lucca stated how if Leene is killed, the Guardia line of woman will cease to exist (true), but how is it possible to get her back? If Marle disappeared like that, then wouldn't it have been too late to have done anything at all?

That's the operative term here. Leene isn't dead yet — she can still be rescued in time so that her descendants can continue to live, a fact proven by Marle's reappearance. Apparently getting kidnapped by a frightening, disgusting cockroach isn't enough to make her no longer bear children, although my ovaries would personally be tied in knots after that experience. -cough.-

[Magus22]

That's the operative term here. Leene isn't dead yet — she can still be rescued in time so that her descendants can continue to live, a fact proven by Marle's reappearance. Apparently getting kidnapped by a frightening, disgusting cockroach isn't enough to make her no longer bear children, although my ovaries would personally be tied in knots after that experience. -cough.-

Smashing.

Thanks ChibiBob. I always got confused cause Leene was still alive and Marle disappeared. That got me confused as to why she would disappear.

[Starcore]

My basic assumption was always that the following events occured;

Original timeline
Leene is kidnapped by Yakra, Frog reaches the Cathedral and rescues her

Marle's Initial Disappearance
When the King finds her (Marle/Nadia), the search is called off. Before Crono intervenes, Frog, either unknowning of "the Queen" being returned OR not believing it to be her (Her pin missing and her unusual behavior being suggestions she is not the original) goes to the Cathedral, finds that Leene is in fact still being held by Yakra, and rescues her. This becomes the initial timeline until Crono arrives (As explained in the next part). Marle dies in the 600 A.D. timeline, but this has only a nominal effect on time, because, unless she tells everyone exactly what's going on (And everyone believes her), this is a ridiculous idea and nothing would happen to her. Leene would still have her offspring, who would continue reproducing until Marle is in fact born again.

Crono's Arrival in 600 A.D.
Crono arrives between the time that "Leene" (Marle/Nadia) is found and Frog rescues Leene at Cathedral. Isn't it coincidental that, even though Leene is safe, Frog is at Cathedral, still thinking something to be out of whack?

Crono and Lucca then assist Frog with restoring history, and go about completely screwing it up by doing everything possibly to mess with our heads.

To me, this was always the most logical.

(I bumped this because I thought it was still relevant conversation and this might help the speculation a bit)

[Chrono'99]

This doesn't explain why Marle disappeared when Crono entered her room in Guardia Castle, and why she later reappeared there when Crono re-entered the room.

[nightmare975]

Where else would she have reappeared?

[Starcore]

Actually, that's a good point.

I think the Butterfly Effect would have some mention here. Think of it this way;

When Marle appears, the search is called off. Now, time has not immediately affected her - she was born 385-ish years from 600 A.D. Though she is currently in the year 600 A.D., time hasn't caught up with 1000 A.D., meaning her bloodline is still temporarily preserved. The few days while Marle is still existing in 600 A.D., there are two sets of events (pre- and post-Crono).

Pre-Crono: Marle disappears due to the effect of time finally catching up with the bloodline, negating her from existince. Now, Leene is gone again, and Frog resumes his search for the Queen. The bloodline endures because she is still brought back. Marle would reappear.

Post-Crono: Marle still disappears, but the party instead assists Frog in saving Leene, which allows Marle to be restored (The bloodline endures). Marle reappears, everything is fixed.

I think that came out right.

[AuraTwilight]

>_>

<_<

I still think the Entity just pooped her out of existence and back.