Dreamstone, a naturally occuring substance?

[Zero]

Out of curiousity, why is Dreamstone labelled a naturally occuring substance?  Ayla says it herself.  "Rare, red rock sign of power.  Ayla strongest in Ioka village.  So Ayla's rock!"  This would make one think that the red rock in Ayla's possession is most certainly not naturally occuring and at that time, the only one around.  As such, it seems feasable that Dreamstone is indeed a sort of Frozen Flame.  The one thing that contradicts this theory is of course, how did it come to be on the Planet before Lavos' arrival.  But that itself is also fairly easy to explain.  It could simply have fallen off a Lavoid and travelled to the Planet.  The fact that a Dreamstone is a Frozen Flame is also helped along by the fact that the Frozen Flame in Radical Dreamers looks exactly like a Dreamstone.  The Frozen Flame in Chrono Cross is probably a part of Lavos that he intentionally shed so that whoever touched it first would become Arbiter, while Dreamstone is probably an untintentional shedding.

[GreenGannon]

Well, if Ayla had the only one, and Crono took it to make the Masamune, then Belthasar couldn't have had enough to make the Ruby Knife or the Mammon Machine.

Besides, I never got the impression that it was one-of-a kind. It sounds more like something akin to a precious gem like a diamond--probably located in some place that took strength and courage to travel to. A cliche in such cultures.

[Zero]

Now keep in mind I said only one at the time.  Of course, due to the fact Lavos had yet to land, this could be the case.  However, of course, once Lavos landed, his collision undoubtadely caused many fragments to scatter.  Not to mention that with Zeal's link to Lavos, it might have been possible to in some way "request" more Dreamstone. 

[CyberSarkany]

She didn't have the only Dreamstone, in fact there seemed to be quite a few around and they made weapons out of it:

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Dream_Bow
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Dream_gun

Check the translation of the japanese weapon.

[Sentenal]

Ayla says that the "Rare Red Rock" is hers, so that means its the only one on the planet at that time?  What sort of logic is that.  Also, the idea that a chunk of Dreamstone just happend to fall of a Lavoid, and then just happend to land on Earth, is a really far-fetched idea.

Dreamstone is probably a naturally forming mineral, but a mineral that is not exclusive to Earth.

[Zaperking]

Yes, and also, Ayla says that there's plenty of stones, and that she'd give her own one to Crono if he beat her in the soup eating compitition.

[Chrono'99]

The fact that a Dreamstone is a Frozen Flame is also helped along by the fact that the Frozen Flame in Radical Dreamers looks exactly like a Dreamstone.

This is quite illogical. You CAN assume that the Frozen Flame is a (special) Dreamstone, but how can you say that Dreamstones are all Frozen Flames? The Dreamstones seen in CT clearly have none of the Flame's power.

[Zero]

Lots more response today.  Before I start replying, I'd like to point out that this is of course only a theory based on the appearance and abilities of Dreamstone, coupled with Ultimania saying Dreamstone and the Frozen Flame being one in the same.  Now then.

She didn't have the only Dreamstone, in fact there seemed to be quite a few around and they made weapons out of it:

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Dream_Bow
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Dream_gun

Check the translation of the japanese weapon.

The weapon name translations I did not know.  While it is perhaps a possibility that they are nothing but names, I guess this stands as one of the best obscure arguments against this.  However, it's possible that many Dreamstones fell to the Planet in meteor showeresque fashion.

Ayla says that the "Rare Red Rock" is hers, so that means its the only one on the planet at that time?  What sort of logic is that.  Also, the idea that a chunk of Dreamstone just happend to fall of a Lavoid, and then just happend to land on Earth, is a really far-fetched idea.

Dreamstone is probably a naturally forming mineral, but a mineral that is not exclusive to Earth.

That's simply the way she makes it sound.  If it were extremely abundant, why would she only have the one?  And yes, far-fetched maybe.  But so is a large parasite from space falling to a planet and slowly devouring it over the period of 65,000,000+ years.  I say Dreamstone falling to the Planet is just as reasonable as Lavos falling to it.

Yes, and also, Ayla says that there's plenty of stones, and that she'd give her own one to Crono if he beat her in the soup eating compitition.

Lucca: We'd love to go, but we've got to look for the Dreamstone now.

Ayla: Stone?  Plenty stones!  Here, there, at village.  You take plenty. 
Crono come, Ioka village this way.

The word "Dreamstone" wasn't used by Ioka.  That name probably came about more around 12,000 BC.  All Ayla heard was that they were looking for some manner of stone.  So she said there were lots of stones at the village.  Cause well, there probably are lots of stones at the village.  Not Red Rocks though. 

The fact that a Dreamstone is a Frozen Flame is also helped along by the fact that the Frozen Flame in Radical Dreamers looks exactly like a Dreamstone.

This is quite illogical. You CAN assume that the Frozen Flame is a (special) Dreamstone, but how can you say that Dreamstones are all Frozen Flames? The Dreamstones seen in CT clearly have none of the Flame's power.

You're right, that does sound a bit out there.  I phrased that incorrectly.  I wasn't assuming that the Dreamstone in CT could have some way been used to contact Lavos or grant any special powers if that's what you were thinking.  Of course all I meant was that Dreamstone fell from Lavos.  But what you said explains what I meant better.  The Frozen Flame was a special kind of Dreamstone. 


Err.. I'm pretty sure that more or less covers all the replies.  Remember, it's only a theory based on those three things stated at the top.  Please try not being too harsh.

[ChronoMagus]

This is 65 Mil bc you know... Getting a usable chunk of Dreamstone would be hard even if plentiful.  Think about it.  Dreamstones don't naturally appear in nice usable and convient chunks.  You would have to break it off of a bigger vein of Dreamstone and such... Plus its probably underground and hard to reach.  And at 65 mil BC they lacked uhm power tools perhaps?  Or mass mining infastructure?  They don't have the means to mine it, to transport it, etc. 
Maybe the Reptites controlled the only known strain of Dreamstone?  And Ayla got hers by stealing it.  Reptites may have tons of it around like gold or some gems.  Let me ask you something.  Have you ever seen a poor person carrying around a bunch of diamonds?  Of course not.  They wouldn't be poor then.  Well the Humans are poor and the Reptites aren't... Thus who will get all the precious stones and shiny gems?  The Reptites.  Who will treat a single shiny rock like a sacred object?  The Humans. 

[Zero]

That could be valid if you had any proof of that whatsoever.  But it's pure speculation. 

[Magus22]

However, of course, once Lavos landed, his collision undoubtadely caused many fragments to scatter.  Not to mention that with Zeal's link to Lavos, it might have been possible to in some way "request" more Dreamstone.

Lavos impact didn't take up more than 1% of the Earth. It obliterated the Tyrano Lair. The reason Lavos collided where it did can be inferred, but that's not what I want to talk about. I doubt Lavos's impact really caused any fragments to scatter. The only thing that comes to mind is the millions of debris from Azala's lair. Where lavos impacted the Earth was on an elevated rock face which I doubt housed any important materials, mostly just igneous rocks. Now perhaps Dreamstone can only be found near lava or hot surfaces, then I can see where you're coming from. Since it's rare, it could be found in unexpected places. The other thing that comes to mind (on the note of the collision) would be the "fragment" from the Lavos, the Frozen Flame. I don't know that Lavos's shells impact with Earth made this occur, or if the atmosphere had stress on Lavos's shell, resulting in the "fragment" breaking off landing somewhere on Earth. Again, I really don't think Lavos's impact wasn't that severe as compared to say a meteor.

[Zero]

While the impact, in retrospect, was much less severe than it could have been, it was strong enough to obliterate the plateau that the Tyranno Lair was on, cause a massive explosion, and create a gigantic crator.  That could be enough to warrant some pieces of Lavos flying every which way.  Not to mention, he does have the ability to shed parts of him.  Such as his quills.  These things together seem to me to make it feasable that the collision could have spread Dreamstone about the Planet.

[GreenGannon]

Then again, when Lavos lands we see no evidence of any kind that anything was scattered. As ar as we know, it was all crushed beneath him.

[Zero]

You've got to keep in mind that when Lavos lands we so no evidence of anything, really.  We just see the innitial explosion.  We don't see any tunneling going on either, but it's obvious he's done it. 

[AuraTwilight]

That could be valid if you had any proof of that whatsoever.  But it's pure speculation.

This made me laugh because you're doing the exact same thing. Your theory is only pure speculation, and thus, by your logic, void. kthxbai.