Dreamstone, a naturally occuring substance?

[GreenGannon]

You've got to keep in mind that when Lavos lands we so no evidence of anything, really.  We just see the innitial explosion.  We don't see any tunneling going on either, but it's obvious he's done it. 

And we don't have any evidence that FF7's Bugenhagen isn't really FF7's Zangan either! Eureka! (For the record, does anyone remember that little topic on GameFAQs?)

But we do know what happened to the Tyrano Lair, it became crushed under the earth to become the Giant's Claw. Not scattered, crushed.

[Zero]

I had a feeling someone would say that.  But I do have proof.  As I said, the Frozen Flame in Radical Dreamers looks exactly like a Dreamstone.  Dreamstone is also used in the making of the Mammon Machine  which is used to commune with Lavos, as is the Frozen Flame.  Also, Ultimania says that Dreamstone and the Frozen Flame are one in the same.  That's three fairly solid reasons to believe this theory.

Please don't be insolent.  It's so pointless. 

[Zaperking]

That could be valid if you had any proof of that whatsoever.  But it's pure speculation.

This made me laugh because you're doing the exact same thing. Your theory is only pure speculation, and thus, by your logic, void. kthxbai.

Damn, you beat me to the punch line!

I had a feeling someone would say that.  But I do have proof.  As I said, the Frozen Flame in Radical Dreamers looks exactly like a Dreamstone.  Dreamstone is also used in the making of the Mammon Machine  which is used to commune with Lavos, as is the Frozen Flame.  Also, Ultimania says that Dreamstone and the Frozen Flame are one in the same.  That's three fairly solid reasons to believe this theory.

Please don't be insolent.  It's so pointless. 

You're evidence is flawed.

1) RD already stated that the Frozen Flame came from the extra terrestrial being that caused the destruction of the ancient magical city. Though, Schala blamed herself, and the Frozen Flame was inside the Mammon Machine (which is made of dreamstone). Also, mind you that The Frozen Flame in RD was said to be "A flame frozen in time" and it's down to the graphics for that error, not because it is a stone.

2) Ultimania says a lot of things, and a lot of things there are based on the authors inferance, and now official data. The only believable stuff is what Masato himself said.

3) Due to the law of motion, if the there was a meteor shower of Dreamstone, it'd arrive at the same time as Lavos, especially of it was from him.
Also not that when Azala said to Ayla about "rocks of fire falling down form the sky", this seemed like a first as if it's never happened in anyones lifetime.

4) Don't call us insolent. It's alright to assume, but to go against game evidence is stupid. Dreamstone is dreamstone. The Frozen flame is the Frozen flame. It has already been stated that ONLY the Frozen Flame came apart from Lavos' shell when he landed. Not dreamstone, but the Frozen Flame. Okay?

[GreenGannon]

Dreamstone is also used in the making of the Mammon Machine  which is used to commune with Lavos, as is the Frozen Flame.

The Flame also evolved humans. Dreamstone didn't do that. Plus, CC's Flame? That sure doesn't look like Dreamstone to me.

Please don't be insolent.  It's so pointless. 

Oh, the irony.

[Zero]

The only thing I was calling insolent was the "kthxbai" comment.  It's unecessary and makes me feel like he was trying to call me a n00b.  Every other response I find valid and appreciate. 

I can't respond to any posts right now, but I will later.  Also, I'm kind of curious as to what Zeality has to say about this, since he hasn't posted yet. 

[Zaperking]

I can't respond to any posts right now, but I will later.  Also, I'm kind of curious as to what Zeality has to say about this, since he hasn't posted yet. 

What has this got to do with Zeality?

[Sentenal]

That's simply the way she makes it sound.  If it were extremely abundant, why would she only have the one?  And yes, far-fetched maybe.  But so is a large parasite from space falling to a planet and slowly devouring it over the period of 65,000,000+ years.  I say Dreamstone falling to the Planet is just as reasonable as Lavos falling to it.

We know that Lavos falls to the Earth, so thats an invalid point.  What your saying is that somehow, a piece of Lavos broke from his shell, and then accelerated so that it was faster than Lavos, so it got to Earth first.  And that is far-fetched.

Listen, here is an idea thats much more feasible than your idea.  Dreamstone is a naturally forming substance.  Its not exclusive to earth, however.  The same can be said of alot of minerals, so the idea is not that far-fetched.  Its possible that Lavos's shell is made of Dreamstone.  In Nature, we have oysters forming perals.  Its feasible that Lavos secretes a substance that crystalizes into Dreamstone.  After all, the Frozen Flame and Dreamstone do look alike, as you say over and over again.  And if the Frozen Flame is a splinter of Lavos, and the Frozen Flame is made of Dreamstone, then thats only the next step in logic that his shell is made of dreamstone.

However, the Frozen Flame is a splinter of Lavos, and connects to Lavos.  If all Dreamstone came from Lavos, as in, they are all splinters of Lavos, they would all have the same functions as the Dreamstone does.  But they don't.  So that strongly implies that not all Dreamstone is connected to Lavos.

In short, its absurd to think that Ayla's Dreamstone is all the Dreamstone there is.  Hell, if you want further proof, look at the Masamune and Mammon Machine.  Both are made of Dreamstone.  Are you going to tell me that the materials used to make both of those came from that single rock Ayla had?

[Zaperking]

Not to mention the rock which was taken to the future to be used on the Masamune.

[Burning Zeppelin]

For all we know, Dreamstone is amber. That, or it is linked with meteorite worship

[Zero]

For one, I never said that that particular piece of Dreamstone fell from Lavos himself.  I said it might have been dropped by a different passing Lavoid.  Of course I know it's impossible for the Dreamstone to reach the Planet before Lavos did if it came from him.  I was just saying it could have been shed by a completely different Lavoid as he hurtled through space some amount of light years away.

And once again, it's as I said.  I didn't say the Mammon Machine and Masamune came from that one piece of Dreamstone.  That would be beyond stupid.  I was saying that that was the only Dreamstone at the time until Lavos decended.  In which case, those in Zeal would have the ablity to get more from Lavos himself or around where he landed.  I kinda feel like I'm repeating myself since I already said this. 

So it's pretty obvious my theory's not popular.  But is there anyone who believes in part or in whole anything in my theory? 

Also, I was just curious as to what Zeality would say.  I've seen his posts on GameFAQs and such and I have much respect for him, so I wanted to see his take on my theory.

[GreenGannon]

Well, seeing as how Gaspar's wording makes it sound like there was more than just one slab, I'm going to go ahead and say that there was more than just one slab.

[Zero]

Keep in mind that Ayla's era and the era of Zeal are seperated by several million years.  The way you talk, you make it sound like those in Zeal found Dreamstone millions of years before they were even born.

[Magus22]

I kinda feel like I'm repeating myself since I already said this.

Everyone is repeating themselves here, but it's ok to explain what you've already stated. We all are in a way

So it's pretty obvious my theory's not popular. But is there anyone who believes in part or in whole anything in my theory?

Your theory has potential in which when Lavos impacted the Tyrano Lair, it MAY have launched Dreamstone and other materials and igneous rock everywhere. But the impact of Lavos wasn't really all that severe, like I stated and shall repeat, like a meteor hitting the Earth. Stay true to your theory and keep supporting your arguements to the best of your ability. On the line of Dreamstone being spread every where, I believe that it IS possible for that to have occurred.

[AuraTwilight]

For all we know, Dreamstone is amber. That, or it is linked with meteorite worship

Amber doesn't grant magical powers, absorb energy, conduit elemental forces, and give birth to four-dimensional dream sprites.

[ChronoMagus]

That could be valid if you had any proof of that whatsoever.  But it's pure speculation. 

Is it really too much to assume that the prehistoric, undercivilized, near ape humans did not have power tools...  Really now.  We are talking about the first group of humans in history... Did early humans in the real world have the capability of lots and lots of mining? No.  Plus we can see that the Prehistoric era is mainly tents... Thats wood and animal fur so they obviously were not capable of making strong sturdy stone structures on a large scale.  Its called logic.

Keep in mind that Ayla's era and the era of Zeal are seperated by several million years.  The way you talk, you make it sound like those in Zeal found Dreamstone millions of years before they were even born.

Maybe someone had records of Dreamstone...  Like how we know about gold and precious metals thousands of years ago, even though we weren't there.