My system is better than...

[Magus22]

Oh, and SOCOM sucks.

I hope you have played it. I agree that SOCOM 3 is sucky, but its very fun and most popular online game. The maps are lame and it takes even longer to gun someone down. SOCOM II maps were amazing and they will be coming out shortly as map packs to download for S3. The original SOCOM I on the other hand was simply the best. The taunts are, to this date, still kickass and the time it takes to kill someone is most realistic of all the SOCOM games. I wouldn't go as far as saying it sucks though, then that means I can say Halo sucks for being a 1st person since there are already millions of 1st persons out there. With SOCOM, you can do 3rd and 1st depending on what situation you are in. Overall, my biggest complaint is the lag, though S3 eliminated most of the lag from S2 as it almost carried over. When my clan is owning anothers, they usually will start pulling their ethernet cords so they can skip across the levels.

Oh and one more thing, SOCOM 3 maps have some of thee biggest maps and player support online, making it just badass. Personally, I don't play online that much though, it's just something FUN to do with other people around the world when you feel like playing multiplayer game.

[Burning Zeppelin]

SOCOM still sucks. Especially the PSP version. That was unforgivable. And the best multiplayer shooter is Quake Counter Strike Soldat.

[Magus22]

SOCOM still sucks. Especially the PSP version. That was unforgivable. And the best multiplayer shooter is Quake Counter Strike Soldat.

We're not talking about the PSP version. PSP is lame anways. It was stupid to have to connect your PSP to the PS2 to get unlockable players in online mode. That was really stoooopid.

Many will have their opinions of any game, so it's ok to be a SOCOM-hater.

I for one will invest in the Wii when the time is right.

[grey_the_angel]

I am a Sony fan and I have to say that after observing the XBOX launch and the naming of the Next-Gen Nintendo system, I am quite pleased to put my faith into the PS3.  I would like to hear from you all and please, let the trash talking begin!

I think the 360 launch failed cause everybody realized "oh wait... the games suck. their's nothing new on them." If mircosoft could pull in more eastern 3rd party support, it could possibly have some decent list of games to its name, not just spawns of halo n' madden.

Dude, imagine CT updated on the ps3... blu-ray could quadruple standard rpg map sizes, Cities could be... well.. city sized!

OH MY GOD! IMAGINE if they could combine the detail of older "pic" rpg maps like CC with the full blown 3-d of new rpgs! *squeels like a little girl.*

[V_Translanka]

The 360 seems to rely too much on it's hi-def aspects for most of the games so far...Not everyone has hi-def really...and even then...

[Burning Zeppelin]

Why 360 and Wii rule

360
Xbox Live: Going strength to strength
Too Human: Genius!
Viva Pinata: Rule the Pinatas

Wii
Twilight Princess: Nuff said
Sonic Wildfire: One step closer to Panzer Dragoon...
Wii Games: SUPER MARIO GALAXY!!!!!!
WiiMote: Brilliant

Why the PS3 will fail
A really shitty motion sensing controller
A really shitty motion sensing controller that doesn't vibrate
It is really expensive

WiiMote vs DualShake

Perhaps you heard a loud rumbling sound several moments after our friend, Krazy Kutaragi, took the stage at the Sony E3 press conference and revealed what was, according to him, a big "secret" regarding the new old and improved PS3 controller. The source of the noise was undoubtedly the countless gamers rolling their eyes in unison at a new "innovation" that, if you're at all interesting in gaming, is unlikely to have struck you as very innovative at all. It's arguable that Nintendo's Wii merely uses parts that have been around for ages and isn't particularly innovative in that sense, but it's difficult not to raise an eyebrow when a competing console manufacturer decides to implement a control interface that, until recently, was considered unorthodox. It was pretty shameless.

But there's no need to be pointing fingers and gyroscopic contraptions in an effort to blame one for stealing from the other. A better reaction would be to consider how the two devices compare, though the technical qualities are less important than the factors related to gaming. Consider that Nintendo's system has been built to utilize the more wobust wiimote right from the start, with every single game being created to take advantage of the primary controller in some way or another. The Sony press conference gave the impression that the opposite was true with the PS3, with Phil Harrison stating that Warhawk had been "adapted" to take advantage of the Dual Shake's newly announced abitlies. How late was the decision made to add the new functionality to the controller? My guess is that the idea can't have been implemented too long ago, as none of the other PS3 games at the conference seemed to make use of motion sensing. In which case it seems that, at least initially, the Wii wil simply have a greater quantity of games that boast integration with the unique controller. Given the increased development time, it's fair to expect Nintendo's first volley of games to be a good deal more intricate in those regards as well.

Sony's strategy of combining a traditional controller with a weird one is valid (it's an added feature, after all), but it may end up being more limiting, almost to the same degree that Nintendo's controller is limiting when it comes to traditional controls. While Nintendo's controller allows for more aerobic activities such as swinging a sword and aiming a gun (note the examples my violent mind immediately conjures up), the Dual Shake's design makes that sort of thing somewhat less practical. This not only puts a confinement on what developers can do, essentially forcing a balance between traditional and non-traditional controls, but puts Sony in an unpleasant position of being put alongside a competitor that's likely to have a much cheaper product. If you want to play unique games built upon motion sensing concepts, it's clear which system is the better choice (hint: the cheaper one).

On the other wand-waving hand, however, one could argue that those who prefer traditional games and have less interest in unusual mechanics would be far better off with a system that, in a sense, offers a glimpse of both worlds. As always, it boils down to the games and how well each system takes advantage of its specific capabilities. The Wii doesn't have much choice in that area, but the PS3 does run the danger of having a host of games that have tacked-on motion sensing functionality as opposed to more elaborate experiences. But then, the games on the PS3 don't depend on the controller nearly as much as Wii titles do. It'll be interesting to see which games will make the most out of the controllers they're given and we expect to be able to add more to this discussion after Nintendo's press conference tomorrow. Nothing stopping you from adding to it right now, though.

[grey_the_angel]

SOCOM still sucks. Especially the PSP version. That was unforgivable. And the best multiplayer shooter is Quake Counter Strike Soldat.

false, the best shooter ever is DOD

[Magus22]

Well after seeing what E3 had to offer...

360 will definately be left in the dust by the PS3 and Wii. Though the Wii is looking incredible aside from PS3. I don't care about the price of the PS3 for I am not one of those people who will reserve one and get t right when it comes out. I'll wait for a newer model and for the price to drop . . . while I finish up some PS2 games and such. But I am really convinced that Nintendo did it again and just blew us away with their news.

[Burning Zeppelin]

Sadly many of the Wii games up for show have been disappointing, especially Metroid Prime 3, which broke my heart. I mean, Wii is meant for FPS's! Hopefully they clean it up. However, hurrah for Super Mario Galaxy, which contains many small-yet-incredibly-awesome features, like when you move the "cursor" (star) which is used to point at objects, over flowers, it acts like an invisible hand and the flowers move! God bless Nintendo...

[grey_the_angel]

Why 360 and Wii rule

360
Xbox Live: Going strength to strength
Too Human: Genius!
Viva Pinata: Rule the Pinatas

Wii
Twilight Princess: Nuff said
Sonic Wildfire: One step closer to Panzer Dragoon...
Wii Games: SUPER MARIO GALAXY!!!!!!
WiiMote: Brilliant

Why the PS3 will fail
A really shitty motion sensing controller
A really shitty motion sensing controller that doesn't vibrate
It is really expensive

WiiMote vs DualShake

Perhaps you heard a loud rumbling sound several moments after our friend, Krazy Kutaragi, took the stage at the Sony E3 press conference and revealed what was, according to him, a big "secret" regarding the new old and improved PS3 controller. The source of the noise was undoubtedly the countless gamers rolling their eyes in unison at a new "innovation" that, if you're at all interesting in gaming, is unlikely to have struck you as very innovative at all. It's arguable that Nintendo's Wii merely uses parts that have been around for ages and isn't particularly innovative in that sense, but it's difficult not to raise an eyebrow when a competing console manufacturer decides to implement a control interface that, until recently, was considered unorthodox. It was pretty shameless.

But there's no need to be pointing fingers and gyroscopic contraptions in an effort to blame one for stealing from the other. A better reaction would be to consider how the two devices compare, though the technical qualities are less important than the factors related to gaming. Consider that Nintendo's system has been built to utilize the more wobust wiimote right from the start, with every single game being created to take advantage of the primary controller in some way or another. The Sony press conference gave the impression that the opposite was true with the PS3, with Phil Harrison stating that Warhawk had been "adapted" to take advantage of the Dual Shake's newly announced abitlies. How late was the decision made to add the new functionality to the controller? My guess is that the idea can't have been implemented too long ago, as none of the other PS3 games at the conference seemed to make use of motion sensing. In which case it seems that, at least initially, the Wii wil simply have a greater quantity of games that boast integration with the unique controller. Given the increased development time, it's fair to expect Nintendo's first volley of games to be a good deal more intricate in those regards as well.

Sony's strategy of combining a traditional controller with a weird one is valid (it's an added feature, after all), but it may end up being more limiting, almost to the same degree that Nintendo's controller is limiting when it comes to traditional controls. While Nintendo's controller allows for more aerobic activities such as swinging a sword and aiming a gun (note the examples my violent mind immediately conjures up), the Dual Shake's design makes that sort of thing somewhat less practical. This not only puts a confinement on what developers can do, essentially forcing a balance between traditional and non-traditional controls, but puts Sony in an unpleasant position of being put alongside a competitor that's likely to have a much cheaper product. If you want to play unique games built upon motion sensing concepts, it's clear which system is the better choice (hint: the cheaper one).

On the other wand-waving hand, however, one could argue that those who prefer traditional games and have less interest in unusual mechanics would be far better off with a system that, in a sense, offers a glimpse of both worlds. As always, it boils down to the games and how well each system takes advantage of its specific capabilities. The Wii doesn't have much choice in that area, but the PS3 does run the danger of having a host of games that have tacked-on motion sensing functionality as opposed to more elaborate experiences. But then, the games on the PS3 don't depend on the controller nearly as much as Wii titles do. It'll be interesting to see which games will make the most out of the controllers they're given and we expect to be able to add more to this discussion after Nintendo's press conference tomorrow. Nothing stopping you from adding to it right now, though.

amazing though, the last two system that came out were far superior to the ps2, and yet the ps2 camp was 4 times the amount of both systems.
Their total combined was only half the power of a inferior just as costly system. if sony keep its hold on its support, it will get more sales then predicted, and hopefully, lower the overall price due to mass production.

... DAMN IT, that stupid CT MMO idea got back into my head. It burns us! it burns us!

[Burning Zeppelin]

That is because the PS2 got a giant fanbase once it made the PSX, due to its CD ROM drive, and its easy to make system.
And what the hell are you talking about? The Gamecube was more powerful then the PS2 alone, let alone being with the Xbox and being half the power.
And lower the price! Right now it is losing a possible $4 freaking 00 per [Premium] unit, so it will be a while before they lower prices.

[grey_the_angel]

That is because the PS2 got a giant fanbase once it made the PSX, due to its CD ROM drive, and its easy to make system.
And what the hell are you talking about? The Gamecube was more powerful then the PS2 alone, let alone being with the Xbox and being half the power.
And lower the price! Right now it is losing a possible $4 freaking 00 per [Premium] unit, so it will be a while before they lower prices.

I believe you misread me. I said the ps2 was an inferior system that costed about as much as an xbox, but thanks to its support and fanbases, it was able to out grow 3 different systems: the n64, the gc, and the xbox. currently, the number out on market is 80 million units sold.

gc has 19 something
as does xbox with its glory n' fame halo and all them.

Hell, thanks to that bungle on mircosoft's part, only 3 million units of the 360 were about an about at the time of its release, that being said, the number hasn't improved much.

[Burning Zeppelin]

So how does that prove that PS is a better system? Remember the Pop music comparison Hadriel brought up?

[grey_the_angel]

So how does that prove that PS is a better system? Remember the Pop music comparison Hadriel brought up?

I never said that. What I meant to get across was don't count your chicken before they hatch: their's still plenty of people willing to shell it out for a name they know and trust. as for superior: superior hardware wise maybe, it runs off the same equipment the 360 does, but its got strong vid cards.  its also got a stronger, thought slower.... crap I forgot. but I know their was something in their that was basically a giant tank: strong but slow. its only real downfall is the lack of a formindable hd, but if you really wanted too, you'd just mod it with a seperate hd to burn the games directly too the system, much like the original had gor around 40-100 bucks (if your stupid).

As for gaming wise: its got solid ganbases and trusted 3rd parties like square if it doesn't somehow manage to screw itself over. if it can make new games while utilizing cash cows like this, it could very well best the other two cheaper systems again. It's like halo is: it helps, but only for so long.

Sides, WII itself is screwed from its predecessors own libraries. the majority of gamers are 14-35 and most consider nintendo to be too "kiddy" for their tastes. it'll really be a toss up, but I think the ps3 might actually do well enough, and considering how much extra memory those blu-ray disks have, they can easily make some of the most beautyful games on the planet, their ploy count can easily quadruple. hell, think of it as play ff 10 with the cutscene models, or better yet, the fmv models.

[Burning Zeppelin]

And I never said PS3 will lose. In fact, it will win.