Why is the planet asleep?

[pingu]

The planet's dream is important part to the Chrono series, but why and when did the plant fall asleep?

I don't know if you all have talked about this, but I was impressed by your thoughts on the series in the encyclopedia so I thought I'd introduce a question I didn't see answered.

[Zaperking]

The planet is dying. Ayla said that when people die, her elders say that they see their life flash before their eyes. In a way, the planet fell asleep and started remembering it's life, but this caused gates to pop open, which meant that Crono and co could go on their adventure to save the planet and complete it's dream.

[ChronoMagus]

I had always viewed the Gates as a planned failsafe, but thats an interesting concept.  But think of an old sick person dying.  Many times they will go into a coma or a deep sleep before they die.  Same thing with the planet.

[pingu]

So the gates were not a property of lavos being on the planet, but rather a native feature of the planet's defence? That works.

I had always seen the gates as proof that lavos was native to the planet.  The ideal world could only arise from a dream that was to be in the hands of lavos.

Good image work by the way with the link to near death experience.

[Burning Zeppelin]

Maybe humans were created JUST to save the planet by using the portals...

[AuraTwilight]

Who said the planet was asleep? Maybe it means "Dream" as in a goal or fantasy. A person's dream career, for example. The Planet is striving toward it's dream of a perfect biosphere.

I had always seen the gates as proof that lavos was native to the planet.

Which is why we see him coming from SPACE and stuff, right?

Maybe humans were created JUST to save the planet by using the portals...

and yet humans existed before the Planet was even aware of Lavos.

[pingu]

Who said the planet was asleep? Maybe it means "Dream" as in a goal or fantasy. A person's dream career, for example. The Planet is striving toward it's dream of a perfect biosphere.

I had always seen the gates as proof that lavos was native to the planet.

Which is why we see him coming from SPACE and stuff, right?

I guess a less literal interpretation of dream would work well too.

I know Lavos came from space, but wasn't that all that was said about its origin?  Couldn't it just be just as likely that Lavos was returning to the planet rather than a first contact?

I just thought that the planet's dream was more of an set up by an "awake" world.  This world creates Lavos in order to begin a "dream" world where Lavos's presence would enhance the progress of humans (i.e. the possibility of a perfect Zeal).  We see that things didn't work out that way because of the corruption of Zeal.

On a side thought, I always thought Lavos was born in the "awake" world's less future (one pretty much the same as the destroyed future in CT).  This would make for perfect poetic jutice in that Lavos was intended to enhance the future of humans, but was corrupted and ultimatly destroys that future. 

[AuraTwilight]

There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that Lavos can be native to Earth. It contradicts everything we know about him. It's like saying Crono is from Mars.

[pingu]

Well maybe not native to what we know as the planet in CT and CC.

I just think it's a bit short sighted to say that Lavos is an alien purly because he fell from space.

My angle just unifies the story of CT and CC with the origins of lavos in a grander way.

For example, if you take my version of the story then the ending of CC is quite simple.  Once Schala is free all connection between lavos and the "dream" world end.  This reverts the reality back to the "awake" world which Schala-kid is left to explore.  Schala-kid may end up finding both Serge and Janus, but as they really are in the "awake" world. 

In short, Schala-kid is all that's left of the Chrono series world at the end of CC (which fits perfectly with what we see at the end of CC).

Now I'm not saying that's they "right" story, but it certainly is alot more grand, clear, and unifying than an evil alien comes and screws up a world just because it was there.

[GreenGannon]

And while we're at it, Crono is the personification of the Frozen Flame's will, whose ultimate goal was to free itself from Lavos by rebelling against it's creator.

[pingu]

And while we're at it, Crono is the personification of the Frozen Flame's will, whose ultimate goal was to free itself from Lavos by rebelling against it's creator.

Interesting.  So was the Frozen Flame's goal imposed on it by outside forces or was it a part of Lavos that naturally wanted to free itself?

[Chrono'99]

Lavos is just a specimen from an animal species, which parasitates a planet then reproduces then destroys its planet and finally sends its offspring to other planets. If Lavos came from Crono's planet, that world would already have been infected and ruined by its parent...

[pingu]

Lavos is just a specimen from an animal species, which parasitates a planet then reproduces then destroys its planet and finally sends its offspring to other planets. If Lavos came from Crono's planet, that world would already have been infected and ruined by its parent...

The section you are refering to is:

Robo: It possesses the DNA of every creature that has ever lived! It evolves by obtaining record of the genes of all living things of the planet.
Lucca: I understand. This jerk's objective...
Over a long period of time, (Lavos) gradually parasitizes a planet, collecting portions of the planet's constitution, which it relies on.
Possessing those genes, the descendants born on the Mountain of Death go to another planet, to repeat the cycle.
It sucks this planet's life over a long period of time, evolving while remaining dormant.

While this is an accurate description of Lavos' nature at the time of battling with it, it says nothing about why Lavos is like this.  The explaination that lavos is a destructive animal or weapon is to simple an explaination for the power Lavos has over time/space and the unsual benefits to humans that Lavos exsistance brings.  Remember Lavos well could have been corrupted by the DNA of humans and other beings into assuming its destructive form later in its life.

Again what I'm saying is that there is no established purpose for Lavos before his arrival, and I believe that this indicates the possibility of a more complex reason to why lavos is here.

[Magus22]

Remember Lavos well could have been corrupted by the DNA of humans and other beings into assuming its destructive form later in its life.

So you're saying that, by taking in all sorts of DNA from humans and other living things on this planet, had a doomed impact on the Lavos creature? Don't you think with Lavos's suffisticated shell and technology to house DNA, reproduce these other life forms and also be capable to attack with an almost incredible amount of power, would NOT be so careless as to let the lifeforms of another world affect his goal?

Again what I'm saying is that there is no established purpose for Lavos before his arrival, and I believe that this indicates the possibility of a more complex reason to why lavos is here.

He's nothing more than a mosguito landing on someones arm. The reason why it's here is unknown, but for all we know it just came here to do its thing so its species can procreate.

[pingu]

Remember Lavos well could have been corrupted by the DNA of humans and other beings into assuming its destructive form later in its life.

So you're saying that, by taking in all sorts of DNA from humans and other living things on this planet, had a doomed impact on the Lavos creature? Don't you think with Lavos's suffisticated shell and technology to house DNA, reproduce these other life forms and also be capable to attack with an almost incredible amount of power, would NOT be so careless as to let the lifeforms of another world affect his goal?

You mistake Lavos' power as proof of only a distructive goal.  You also are assuming he is from another world and not familiar with humans.

I just assume Lavos' power was intended for another use.  This is just a less obvious reason for Lavos part in the story.