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Lavos' "persona"
« on: July 17, 2006, 12:22:59 am »
I was just kinda pondering this while beating the crap outta Ozzie in Magus Castle; just going by the theory that Lavos truly is evil, (not saying that he is, just theoretically) perhaps he gained this persona through absorbing the DNA and viewing humanity for so long? And ultimately, he chose a path of corruption after viewing this behavior for so long. How would he choose for himself, you ask? Perhaps the mother Lavos he spawend from extracted DNA from a truly cynical world, thus when the Lavos of Earth recieved this DNA, he was cynical by nature? Or if there truly is a race "controlling" Lavos, they wish to gain information on how to cause pain, thus making Lavos extract the information for them? I'm not here to disprove any other theories on Lavos; I actually believe he truly is playing the survival of the fittest game (until I am, perhaps, proven otherwise). Just putting a thought out there.

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2006, 01:14:18 am »
That's an interesting proposition. Let's change it slightly. Perhaps Lavos' personality, or conciousness rather, is derived not from observing humanity, but from integrating human DNA. If we assume that personality has a significant genetic factor, surely the personality of Lavos will be an amalgamation of aquired personalities from the previous generation of Lavos, and the concious lifeforms on the planet. Since Lavos can effect what DNA will arrise, Lavos is in the odd position of being able to determine what it's conciousness will be. This is, of course, assuming Lavos has some control over it's genetic integration capabilities. Either way, this could lead to some interesting thought exercises. Imagine Lavoids don't have concious control, and a Lavos crashes on a planet where the dominant lifeform is largely nihilistic, to the point where the lifeforms do nothing to preserve their own existence. Would that Lavos ever spawn off, or would it take on that depressed conciousness, and simply rot away in the core of the planet?

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2006, 05:01:55 am »
I think that the FF is the safeguard in that sitution. It does after all increase the brain and give the people that touch it power and new abilities. With a greater brain to have higher reasoning, and power which we all know corrupts, possibly going off the lines to not protect ones self and their species would be impossible.

Either way, this topic has a lot of merit.

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2006, 10:18:50 am »
Lavos is neither good or evil. He's just doing it in order to survive. For example, I raise a pig until its fat & plump then I'll kill it for dinner. The same thing as Lavos did in order to survive. People think that Lavos is evil because he's a threat to humanity & the world.

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2006, 05:52:00 pm »
Good and Evil is based on opinion. if Lavos acts at will or instinct isn't shown ingame as far as I know. Maybe the TD who tries to stop ya from rescuring Schala by interupting the Cross pattern, but this way of thinking could also come from the fusion with Schale or the Dragon God.

Just to make sure I got it right:
Lavos came to earth "good"-> he collected the Human DNA(changed by the Frozen Flame, if it was Lavos' intention is beyond me) -> humans are corrupted, so he became, too. Okey?

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2006, 11:14:31 pm »
In a way, you're right.

If Lavos didn't arrive at Earth - 65,000,000BC - then humans would either be more stupid or take longer time to evolve, magic would probably never come to be, Zeal would not exist and everything else would be a slow simple chaotic state until apples start falling on peoples heads and humans use enviromental surroundings to start building forts.

However, Lavos DID in fact come and we are how we are. Is Lavos "good" in the actual cause of our existence? or is he "evil" for trying to destroy us all in order for himself to procreate...

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2006, 01:06:05 am »
Chrono & Co.: "Thank you for making us who we are, sadly enough, we have to kill you now."

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2006, 01:14:15 am »
Chrono & Co.: "Thank you for making us who we are, sadly enough, we have to kill you now."

Lavos: That's ok, I'll eat you for snack anyway.

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2006, 04:16:34 am »
Good and Evil is based on opinion. if Lavos acts at will or instinct isn't shown ingame as far as I know. Maybe the TD who tries to stop ya from rescuring Schala by interupting the Cross pattern, but this way of thinking could also come from the fusion with Schale or the Dragon God.

Just to make sure I got it right:
Lavos came to earth "good"-> he collected the Human DNA(changed by the Frozen Flame, if it was Lavos' intention is beyond me) -> humans are corrupted, so he became, too. Okey?
To a certain degree; Lavos may not have come to Earth "good", however, because he may have recieved DNA from his previous generation that was corrupt to begin with. Although the aspect of the Frozen Flame being part of Lavos's plan is intriguing; perhaps Lavos was just a test sent from The Entity, and the Frozen Flame was was humanity's ultimate right of passage, depending on the decisions made for mankind? Something tells me I may be on to something here....

Plus, the whole thing would be very shinto, a cliche SquEnix compilation...

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2006, 01:21:54 pm »
Yea, except that Lavos was killing the Entity and the Entity never intended or imagined for humans to beat the Reptites.

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2006, 02:42:10 am »
I just go by the fact that Lavos came to earth to feed off of it's energy. Which in turn gave it the DNA of all living things. Which mean Lavos has human DNA in it. And humans have the freewill to decide whether they are good or evil. And Lavos didn't intentionally become evil. It was the free will given to him by the DNA of humans.

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2006, 02:19:29 pm »
So he was forcibly turned evil by free will? Yea, that's not an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2006, 02:40:15 pm »
I'm saying it didn't come to this planet planning to become evil. Free will gave him the choice and he chose evil

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2006, 03:17:28 pm »
Lavos chose to survive.

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2006, 03:31:27 pm »
well.... yeah. I guess he isn't good or evil. He's trying to make a living the only way he knows how. Whether he has to destroy everything that wants to get rid of him or not.