The end of time?

[Radical_Dreamer]

Quick Fun Fact: When we look up at the stars and we see one that is brighter than the rest, that could actually be the illusion of a black hole in front of the star light we see from Earth because the light is reflected and bent around the black hole. When you look up at night, check out the stars, you never know if a black hole may be manipulating the light of the star you see!

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a black hole affecting a strlight would only happen in a split second so you wont notice it because a black hole travels so fast......passing through a star may affect the star light but again its only for a split second....

Anything passing the event horizon of a black hole is effected for a very, very long time. Also, the effect being mentioned here is not actually a black hole passing around anything, but merely the gravity of the black hole distorting the light from the star. This is a known phenomenon, other massive bodies do this as well.

[Magus22]

a black hole affecting a strlight would only happen in a split second so you wont notice it because a black hole travels so fast......passing through a star may affect the star light but again its only for a split second....

Let me elaborate for you . . .

Our time is different on Earth. With the naked eye, we cannot see star paths, or feel any speed in which Earth rotates. Earth is moving hella fast. Our solar system is moving damn fast. Our Milky Way galaxy is spiraling incredibly fast. There is a constant in the Universe and all things are in motion. However, again, on Earth, we cannot visually see these events taking place. If we could, then we could see M-31 (Andromeda, our neighhborhood galaxy that is the only object we can see with our naked eye outside of our own galaxy) spiraling towards us. We will become part of Andromeda, and "The Great Attractor", part of the "Local Group" (collections of other galaxies) in a couple billion years.

Getting to your blackhole comment, (and do keep in mind the relative time of Earth and space in accordance to this situation) if I were to look outside in the appropriate season at the constellation Sagittarius, deep within the direction of the constellation, within actual proximity of the core of our galaxy, lies a super massive blackhole named Sagittarius A. ANY blackhole within lightyears of stars will reflect the star light around and back in the direction the light was heading, hadn't the blackhole not been there. The light reflected by Sagittarius A is reflected towards us, which you can see with a high powered telescope. Those star light images are false. That's the illusion of the supermassive blackhole. Zoom in a little further with the Hubble and with a spectral scope and X-Ray indicator, and you get an unknown, enormous object in the center of our galaxy, surrounded by millions of stars, performing both a "red" and "blue" shift . . . eating stars for who knowns how long - since the beginning of our galaxy no doubt.

This blackhole is moving with everything else at a constant rate of speed. If you were to put an exposed camera lens pointed at Sagittarius A with a time delay opened for say 30 minutes, (that camera would have to be damn close, but we have the Hubble!) you would actually see many stars orbitting something out there, very violently. Stars do not behave like this, and therefor scientists make calculations and voila, you got an unknown, unseen object 3,000,000 times the mass of our sun, with no apparent visual attributes. The orbital pattern of the stars near our galactic star eater has changed as soon as the gravitational force of the blackhole has pulled them in for the eventual destruction.

I hoped you read my post thoroughly.

I also encourage everyone to check out this image of Sgr A* from the Chandra observatory.


Caption: This annotated Chandra image marks the location of the X-ray source associated with the supermassive black hole, Sagittarius A* (Sgr A*), at the center of our Galaxy. Also marked on this image are newly discovered large lobes of multimillion-degree gas that extend for dozens of light years on either side of the black hole


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[GavenDrake]

i cant seem to believe about your explanation of a blackhole..i find most of it just theories...the fact is that scientist realy havent seen a black hole as it is, the only way they could find it is when it passes through a star light temporarily altering its light position just for a breif moment. even though i know that the sighting of the event happens millions of years ago, considering the old of the light that reaches us. this is the only evidence and physical sighting that humanity have on a black hole....i can find no evidence otherwise.....this has been documented on discovery channel.......and the rest are pure speculations about its real characteristics..so we really dont know what a black hole is, nor whats its capabilities realy are, we may speculate but we wont know for sure...the only thing we know is that it exist......

i am talking about a blackhole passing through a star light, not the event that the black hole is litteraly eating up a star or any other body....

[Magus22]

the only way they could find it is when it passes through a star light temporarily altering its light position just for a breif moment. even though i know that the sighting of the event happens millions of years ago, considering the old of the light that reaches us. this is the only evidence and physical sighting that humanity have on a black hole....i can find no evidence otherwise

Stop watching the Discovery Channel. Read books and research. The true way scientists and astronomers discover blackholes is when violent X-Ray emissions are detected, suddenly, and its waves are sent towards our position on Earth. There is a massive amount of radiation given off, and don't tell me a star simply decides to sling shot itself violently for no apparent reason. There are factors at work that are invisible. When a blackhole consumes a star, it rips the star apart, stars bigger than our sun, faster than the speed of light. Astronomers/scientists can detect when and where blackholes are. Near Sagittarius A, the super massive blackhole in the center of our Milky Way, also has some friends. There are a swarm of blackholes and or neutron stars, and quasars that are being powered by something. The only known matter in the Universe to power a Quasar is a blackhole. Plasma shoots out of Quasars across 5 light years+, depending on the size and power distribution, of space in an instant. This is only done by the power of a blackhole. There is plenty of evidence. Stars in different quadrants of our universe are being "eaten" every day (rather possibly a long time ago) since time and space is so vast that it takes time for things to happen. Quasars continue to shoot jets of plasma for no reason, suddenly orbitting an invisible object, constantly being fueled.

the rest are pure speculations about its real characteristics..so we really dont know what a black hole is, nor whats its capabilities realy are, we may speculate but we wont know for sure...the only thing we know is that it exist......

Explain our friendly neighborhood super massive object 3 million times the mass of our sun in the center of our galaxy. Explain to me "why" stars are orbitting an unknown/invisible object so violently. Explain to me why these stars suddenly disappear. Explain why radiation and emissions come from the center of our galaxy as those stars disappear into an unknown/invisible object. Finally, explain to me what astronomers and scientists see with infrared telescopes and specially designed spectral scopes, as they peer into the nest of the core of our galaxy.

.....this has been documented on discovery channel.......

Again, the Discovery Channel informs and intrigues its audience. I too was amazed until I read the truth in college and Astro books.

i am talking about a blackhole passing through a star light, not the event that the black hole is litteraly eating up a star or any other body....

We see the reflection of the star on the other side of the blackhole. If we look up at say, Betelgeuse (using as an example), or a star with any positive luminosity magnitude number and low intensity ratio, we would not see the actual star emitting its light. That light has been bent around a blackhole for quite some time, making the illusion that it is simply another star up there in the night sky.

This is fact, everything above is fact.

[gpXZ]

Time never ends, and dont exist too, its just a human convention

Just like universe, or emptyiness, as i prefer to call, have no size, and no end, its a complicate concept, no one can imagine a physical thing with no end, but thats how it is...

[AuraTwilight]

Do you have proof of that? No? Didn't think so.

For one thing, time does exist. There are moments that have passed, moments we currently experience, and moments yet to come. That's time.

As for never ending, no one can say sure, though scientific theory and most religions tend to lead towards it eventually ending. Or atleast as we know it.

[Magus22]

Do you have proof of that? No? Didn't think so.

For one thing, time does exist. There are moments that have passed, moments we currently experience, and moments yet to come. That's time.

As for never ending, no one can say sure, though scientific theory and most religions tend to lead towards it eventually ending. Or atleast as we know it.

Agreed.

But also, what I have stated in the past is true... Dark Matter

[Chrono'99]

The Chrono Compendium - Time doesn't exist!

[AuraTwilight]

Time has to exist. Otherwise how can we have time travel and thus a game series? Saying there's no time means saying the events of the game never happened. (well, they didn't, but you know what I mean.)

[Chrono'99]

Are you being sarcastic? because, you know, I was. Saying there's no time on a Chrono series forum is indeed nonsense.

[AuraTwilight]

I know you were. I'm still ranting about the original poster of the no time idea.

[Magus22]

Well yes... time in retrospect will end if and when the universe gets "crunched" by dark matter.

It is a fact. It is true. With no universe, time has no meaning. Time therefore ceases to exist.

[AuraTwilight]

If you believe in the Big Crunch theory, sure. But I'd hardly call it fact.

LOLZ Religion and/or alternative cosmological theories.

[Jonathan]

I don't have any references to back me up here (I'm just going from memory).  But if I recall I did read awhile ago that recent studies showed that the expansion of the universe isn't slowing down but that it's accelerating.
So that would mean that the universe won't end in a Big Crunch since we're accelerating away from the point of origin...  unless we're already accelerating towards it...

[AuraTwilight]

There are also just as recent studies that say the universe is slowing down.

These studies are naturally biased, just like studies about the harmful affects of cigarrettes and marijuana, the inability of gays to take care of children, etc.