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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #1125 on: February 26, 2012, 11:21:20 pm »
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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #1126 on: February 27, 2012, 05:23:20 am »
You lot really shouldn't become too taken with these nonsensical pseudo scientific articles I've often seen floating about here, if your intention is to advance your understanding of these topics. 
It's the source and insight that incites me. XD Just so you know, I don't take information from such articles for granted, but they do give us a direction to research at.

It's just like how you wouldn't even think about researching into "possible causes for the world to end" until someone screams, "HOLY SHIT, THAT METEOR IS HEADING STRAIGHT FOR US!" And it doesn't even matter if he's lying or telling the truth; it's just a starting point for our research, the first blob of paint on our canvas.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #1127 on: February 28, 2012, 06:57:07 pm »
The problem with scientists is... fill-in-the-blank.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #1128 on: February 29, 2012, 02:08:52 am »
The problem with scientists is... fill-in-the-blank.

They are too few in number and too frequently disrespected by those in positions of power.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #1129 on: February 29, 2012, 07:21:11 am »
Interesting metaphor Tushantin, that kind of thinking is rarely useful in science though.
Then Science probably hasn't even found its significance yet.  8)

Let it be known, though, that I'm an artist, not a scientist. I "create" more than discover, and I love to experiment and innovate. I also develop the tools that may help me, if need be, and I tend to find things that Science itself couldn't on its own -- but that mutual relationship between science and other fields is exactly what helps them all drive forward.

Before anyone places any assumptions to this, I'm not trying to undermine science in any way. I'm just saying that I'm special.  :wink: And besides, I have yet to find something that's "rarely useful" or "insignificant".

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #1130 on: February 29, 2012, 09:02:02 am »
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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #1131 on: February 29, 2012, 02:27:05 pm »
Science doesn't need any other fields.
And how sure are you?

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #1132 on: February 29, 2012, 07:06:43 pm »
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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #1133 on: March 01, 2012, 03:26:29 am »
Silly scientists... One day they'll realize that certain things must remain unsolved to be solved.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #1134 on: March 02, 2012, 04:27:56 am »
Silly scientists... One day they'll realize that certain things must remain unsolved to be solved.

Care to give an example?

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« Reply #1135 on: March 04, 2012, 07:47:45 pm »
Ok, say, for example, that scientists could prove God existed or didn't exist; or if scientists could prove that our minds have a direct impact on what we experience day to day. Would that make things better or worse?

Say that scientists could prove that Higgs-Bason Hydron Collider actually worked the way they expected it to; which is supposed to destroy all life as we know it at the same time as creating new life to replace it.

Say that scientists could actually define dark matter as what we have heretofore known as spiritual energy and that there were specific ways we could interact with it. Would it make things better or worse?

Knowing human nature and curiosity; a lot of what is unknown is better left unknown and unproven due to the dual nature of positive and negative consequences thereof.

What if Scientists were finally able to prove that all of our old religions and mythology actually stems from aliens. There is decent evidence suggesting such; but no concrete proof.

The world relies on having some things unknown at the same time as having other things known. The balance that is created from that is inherent to our growth and our mindframe.

It'd be very easy to say that solving these issues could revolutionize the world; but what of all of the die-hard fanatics that would contradict it and fight against it.

It's like fighting an enemy that only wishes to watch the world burn (See Batman: The Dark Knight); by continuing to examine and interact; you make things worse by pushing them to a place they would not have been without said interaction.

Given the nature of human beings and our curiosity, though, these things will eventually be grounded out in fact; or what we deem to be fact; much the same as old world beliefs have been ground out to make way for new advances. The question of whether it should be done or not never occurs to a scientist, because they're all about the discovery. Hence the biggest blunder of the 20th century; the Nuclear bomb.

Then again, if some of the theorists are correct and there is a certain randomness inherent in everything; which Einstein fought against and found the notion to be silly since he was highly grounded in mathematics and that everything could be solved if we only knew everything involved; then the things we believe now are flawed as well.

And there is a certain randomness that can't be predicted or added into things because there is no known quantifiable equation for it. Our data now is compromised because of it.

To be able to solve things is the general premise behind Science. To calculate and experiment and to solve. By pushing to solve the unsolvable we end up at a crossroads and wind up overthinking when the best possible solution is to go with the flow and let it come naturally.

We, as humans, cause so much damage with idea of 'if it doesn't fit; cut off a piece and make it fit' ideology, whereas we could affect a lot of positive growth by picking and choosing our battles and by having a well-rounded education of all things to get a better understanding of why some things are just better left alone.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #1136 on: March 05, 2012, 12:23:14 am »
You do know what dark matter and the Higgs boson particle are, correct?

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #1137 on: March 05, 2012, 03:52:14 am »
Do they?

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #1138 on: March 05, 2012, 10:12:25 am »
You mean the scientists? At least for the Higgs boson, I think they have a pretty good idea based on their experiments, observations, and a simple process of elimination.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/dec/13/higgs-boson-lhc-explained

That's just from a quick search in Google. In any case, it's certainly not meant "to destroy all life as we know it at the same time as creating new life to replace it."

And I don't think most scientists believe dark matter to be "spiritual energy," unless you were suggesting that they might discover it to be such.

As for the rest of your post, I don't see how not moving forward will solve anything. Sure, there are crossroads, and there are people who oppose change and discovery. Our current understanding of the universe may very well be flawed too. But not doing anything about it, letting it "come naturally" and leaving it alone, is detrimental to progress.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #1139 on: March 05, 2012, 01:17:49 pm »
A 'pretty good idea.' Enough said. There was also a pretty good idea that the Higgs Boson could potentially destroy everything we know and everything we don't: http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=13528

I never said that scientists do think of dark matter as spiritual energy. That's purely my own theory; and it makes sense since it moves through normal things as if they had no matter whatsoever. Antimatter. What else do we know to do that aside from spirits?

Of course, also to consider is how the universe and a brain cell look remarkably similar. http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/brain-universe.html ; but that's aside from the point.

Of course; progress is progress; no one can stop it.

But how many times in your own life do you answer a question yourself and think you have the right answer and then somewhere further down the road you fully realize what the answer really is and that all that time you had been doing it wrong. Not too harmful seeing as how you're still alive; but there are literally thousands of people out there for whom death is the very real outcome of that type of thinking.

For example: we've all heard of the one about the chicken crossing the road. The obvious answer: to get to the other side. But, most people get caught up in thinking that it means the other side of the road.

Scientists try to force answers; which is ultimately going to lead to our own destruction.
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