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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2006, 08:52:24 am »
The Wikipedia article is horrible
I'll pretend I didn't hear that!

Also, to all you Wikipediaens, do you have a "this user is the handsome devil of the hidden leaf village known as Rock Lee!" Userbox?

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Upset by the war in Iraq, Julia Wilson vented her frustrations with President Bush last spring on her Web page on MySpace.com. She posted a picture of the president, scrawled "Kill Bush" across the top and drew a dagger stabbing his outstretched hand. She later replaced her page on the social-networking site after learning in her eighth-grade history class that such threats are a federal offense.

It was too late.

Federal authorities had found the page and placed Wilson on their checklist. They finally reached her this week in her molecular biology class.

The 14-year-old freshman was taken out of class Wednesday and questioned for about 15 minutes by two Secret Service agents...

Heh. People make jokes like that all the time here too, about Bush and Howard. I wonder why they can't take jokes from 8th graders...But I guess it can be seen as "incitation of violence". Of course, the news is nowhere near as humorous as the time some kid hugged Howard on his birthday...while holding a screwdriver. And no one noticed.

See? Kids are evil little bastards. :D

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2006, 04:15:56 pm »
Good news: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061018/ap_on_re_us/wedding_crash
DWI now be treated as murder. I hope this sets precedent. I am unforgiving in my intolerence of drunk driving. There is no excuse. If you choose to drink, you accept responsibility for any action you do drunk, with equal culpabilitiy to if you were sober.

Bad news: http://www.guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,,1924088,00.html
Because we eat the wrong oils, we're more violent. Makes me glad I'm getting my omega-3s.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #47 on: October 19, 2006, 04:55:03 am »
I've also thought that, but now I'm reconsidering my view on DWI. That should of only been murder considering the circumstances; 3 people were killed. But there is no point punishing someone for a crime they commited if they can't even accept that they deserved it.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #48 on: October 19, 2006, 05:41:30 am »
I've also thought that, but now I'm reconsidering my view on DWI. That should of only been murder considering the circumstances; 3 people were killed. But there is no point punishing someone for a crime they commited if they can't even accept that they deserved it.

Unless I'm reading what you're saying wrong (and it's late, so that may be the case) you are suggesting that we shouldn't punish criminals if they think that their actions should go unpunished. Please clarify your position.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #49 on: October 19, 2006, 06:33:45 am »
I've also thought that, but now I'm reconsidering my view on DWI. That should of only been murder considering the circumstances; 3 people were killed. But there is no point punishing someone for a crime they commited if they can't even accept that they deserved it.

Unless I'm reading what you're saying wrong (and it's late, so that may be the case) you are suggesting that we shouldn't punish criminals if they think that their actions should go unpunished. Please clarify your position.
yeah that sounded pretty stupid to me too.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #50 on: October 20, 2006, 04:05:50 am »
I've also thought that, but now I'm reconsidering my view on DWI. That should of only been murder considering the circumstances; 3 people were killed. But there is no point punishing someone for a crime they commited if they can't even accept that they deserved it.

Unless I'm reading what you're saying wrong (and it's late, so that may be the case) you are suggesting that we shouldn't punish criminals if they think that their actions should go unpunished. Please clarify your position.
It just seems unfair to punish someone for something they didn't mean to commit. The end does no justify the means, or something like that.

But then another part of me says that they should get punished for murder, for the same reasons you said.

I've also thought that, but now I'm reconsidering my view on DWI. That should of only been murder considering the circumstances; 3 people were killed. But there is no point punishing someone for a crime they commited if they can't even accept that they deserved it.

Unless I'm reading what you're saying wrong (and it's late, so that may be the case) you are suggesting that we shouldn't punish criminals if they think that their actions should go unpunished. Please clarify your position.
yeah that sounded pretty stupid to me too.
You're one to talk.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea May be helpful.
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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #51 on: October 20, 2006, 07:47:24 am »
I've also thought that, but now I'm reconsidering my view on DWI. That should of only been murder considering the circumstances; 3 people were killed. But there is no point punishing someone for a crime they commited if they can't even accept that they deserved it.

Unless I'm reading what you're saying wrong (and it's late, so that may be the case) you are suggesting that we shouldn't punish criminals if they think that their actions should go unpunished. Please clarify your position.
It just seems unfair to punish someone for something they didn't mean to commit. The end does no justify the means, or something like that.

But then another part of me says that they should get punished for murder, for the same reasons you said.

I've also thought that, but now I'm reconsidering my view on DWI. That should of only been murder considering the circumstances; 3 people were killed. But there is no point punishing someone for a crime they commited if they can't even accept that they deserved it.

Unless I'm reading what you're saying wrong (and it's late, so that may be the case) you are suggesting that we shouldn't punish criminals if they think that their actions should go unpunished. Please clarify your position.
yeah that sounded pretty stupid to me too.
You're one to talk.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea May be helpful.
yes. yes I am one to talk. I was born with this unique ablity to speak in aduible language from my throat. Its kinda common place really.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #52 on: October 20, 2006, 04:13:09 pm »
I've also thought that, but now I'm reconsidering my view on DWI. That should of only been murder considering the circumstances; 3 people were killed. But there is no point punishing someone for a crime they commited if they can't even accept that they deserved it.

Unless I'm reading what you're saying wrong (and it's late, so that may be the case) you are suggesting that we shouldn't punish criminals if they think that their actions should go unpunished. Please clarify your position.
It just seems unfair to punish someone for something they didn't mean to commit. The end does no justify the means, or something like that.

But then another part of me says that they should get punished for murder, for the same reasons you said.

If, while walking through your home, accidentally knock over and break a vase, even though it was not my intent, and I didn't mean to, it is still my responsibility to replace the vase, either directly or through monetary compensation. The fact that I did not intend to break the vase is irrelevent: I destroyed someone else's property, therefore I am responsible for replacing it.

That example is incredibly benign, however, next to the case posted. You can't buy someone a new life. Also, I don't buy the "didn't mean it" line of reasoning in drunk driving cases. It is well known that alcohol is an intoxicant. I won't say that people behave exactly the same while intoxicated as while not intoxicated, that would be absurd. However, since it is known that alcohol is an intoxicant, and this person voluntarily consumed it, buy doing so, he was implicitly accepting responsibility for any action he performed while intoxicated, whether or not he would have performed it sober. He then operated a vehicle, which, through his incompetence, lead to the loss of human life. With his recklessness, he killed innocent people in cold blood. There is no question of his guilt or responsibility. He is guilty, he is responsible.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #53 on: October 20, 2006, 10:22:03 pm »
Hm, well, I have never been drunk, so I can't argue with you there.

Yes, it is your responsibility to replace the vase, but I won't hold it against you. Heck, I might not even care, because you didn't do it on purpose.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #54 on: October 20, 2006, 10:30:55 pm »
Well, we pretty much assume that people who die would rather live, so...

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #55 on: October 20, 2006, 11:55:36 pm »
Well, we pretty much assume that people who die would rather live, so...
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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2006, 12:47:43 am »
Well, we pretty much assume that people who die would rather live, so...


Irrelevant. If suicides were the general case, we wouldn't be around to talk about it.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2006, 01:37:11 am »
Yes, and Cobain's a bad example, considering Courtney Love offed him.

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2006, 02:29:53 am »
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GASP! ZeaLitY speaks to us! *grovel* *fawn* O, great and beneficent leader, lead us! *adulate* *extol* We are not worthy! *bow*

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Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2006, 07:44:32 am »
Yes, and Cobain's a bad example, considering Courtney Love offed him.
Haha, classic.
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GASP! ZeaLitY speaks to us! *grovel* *fawn* O, great and beneficent leader, lead us! *adulate* *extol* We are not worthy! *bow*
Err, where did that come from?