Revised Plot and Planning Thread

[Chrono'99]

Dunno... Perhaps something a bit different to have something original. But he'll probably have a special "final boss" design regardless of the plot point we choose for the final battle, anyway. I think it'd be a bit anticlimactic to have him remain in a regular human form.

[ZeaLitY]

Rename the attachment to .xml, and open with a text editor I guess. That's the CE Wiki from before. We can find and replace the markup and add it directly to the new Term/CE location in the encyclopedia.

It's also got the earlier plot draft if someone wants to save that as a subsection of the current plot page.

Edit: Went ahead and added all previous drafts.

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[Vehek]

After retrieving the Flame, Lavos simply destroyed it, or something

So if the Frozen Flame was important to Guardia's rise, how did it rise in the Lavos timeline?

[ZeaLitY]

Before the 602 A.D. Porre / Mystics altercation:

Porre is at war with Guardia
Both sides are stalled at Zenan Bridge
The existence of the Vanguard doesn't really change the situation

Buuut, has King Zeal or Porre already assassinated the Mystic elder to ally Medina with Porre? I know that was in the previous version of the plot, but it's not in here. So two questions:

• Should 602 A.D. materially alter 1002 A.D.? Cause in the plot it says Porre is hostile but Medina is friendly, etc. we could do this  with a lot of conditionals for the NPCs without really changing much dramatically.
• Should Porre ally with Medina before the 602 A.D. thing with the Mystic elder already assassinated, or should we just wait and say, if you help Porre, the Mystics are allied with Porre, if you help the Mystics, Porre hates you a lot more (suggestions for how to represent this?), and if you do nothing, the Mystics are allied with Porre, except the situation is worse (suggestions for this also?)

Oh yeah, and it's nice seeing the Vanguard pop up. You really get the sense that time was changed severely when the Masamune was removed. I just noticed also that the debug room NPCs represent the different chapters.

[Agent 12]

I like the conditional depending on what you do in 600 ad. Maybe we can keep the assassination but have the cyborg do it?  We should make it more obvious what happened through dialogue or even a cut scene.

Jp

[Vehek]

I assumed that the removal of the Masamune also led to someone else becoming the leader of Medina.

[Agent 12]

Actually yes that is a much simpler solution. Perhaps the dialogue could talk about kasmira demise had zeal not come along then?  Also we could have a scenario where If Marle goes to the elder she asks where the old one is and he mentions him being a peasant at the town square?  The history of kasmir is a perfect chance to use the historian in the bar.

Jp

[ZeaLitY]

Okay, great. So in case the player goes to 1002 A.D. before 602 A.D., I'll write a few lines of dialogue where needed as sort of a baseline. Then the lines will change according to what happened.

[Agent 12]

Ok just remember that before chapter 3 kasmir is a nobody he gains power due to the lack of the masamune.

Jp

[ZeaLitY]

Can we make it rain in the Millennial Fair, or is the layer 3 just not right for it?

[Agent 12]

I'd have to check the L3.  If it's unused we should be able to.

--JP

[ZeaLitY]

I'll go ahead and keep working on the lines. Truce and Guardia Castle are done, leaving the Vanguard, Porre, Leene Square, and Fiona's Shrine. My idea was to have it rain at the Fair (since it never rains in the entire Chrono series really), but if you chose Medina or Porre the NPCs will still be out there enjoying the rainy day. Neither makes things a little more gloomy.

I'll go ahead and talk about the stuff to watch for...

• The Central Regime lines that should appear in Chapter 2 are at the end of the spreadsheet (the ones for Chapter 4 are in Chapter 4)
• There are some requests to add NPCs or change them in the dialogue, not the scene whines, and often they overflow beneath the dialogue cell to the right (yeah so obviously highlighting them will let you read it, so simple and I know you knew but just want to be totally safe in case)
• 1002 A.D. after the decision gets COMPLICATED so I divided lines up into five segments. 1 is Medina if you chose Porre or did nothing. 3 is lines for 1002 A.D. if you chose Medina (and Medina lines if you chose them will be here), 4 is lines for 1002 A.D. if you chose Porre, and 5 is if you chose neither. 2 is new Choras lines, which are the same for all scenarios (they really don't care over there). Basically, Medina has a bad attitude unless you choose Medina, so they get the same lines for those two other options.
• I put 3, 4, and 5 one after the other in the Chapter 5 section. There are requests to change NPCs to different ones depending on the decision, so it's probably easiest to do one location, then skip down to the next decision section and do the same location there, etc.  instead of doing all 1002 A.D. for one, then all for the next.

Man, I hope it's not too much of a headache. I can't believe how immersive it's going to be now. I'm almost worried that we'll hit the size limit or something with all the dialogue.

[Vehek]

Using round2throughChapter2.ips, the entrance area and Gato's area have no layer 3. The Hero's Gallery has a small piece of layer 3 which seems out of place. Nadia's Bell area has layer 3 for shadows and the Telepod has the layer 3 clouds for the gate.

[Vehek]

King Guardia XXI would also remember the original timeline thanks to TTI (but not the changed timeline after it's fixed)...but I suppose he'd keep quiet about it. It's really bad for people to think the king is delusional.

Yeah, most people accept Glenn overall since he does create the Vanguard (who aren't corrupted fascists until the future era), but a few still think his mind isn't exactly sane. Without the King's protection, people would have thought he was crazy when he appeared out of nowhere in 600 A.D. talking about the war being finished and Cyrus and himself being heroes, etc.

What are your thoughts on this?

[Agent 12]

Ah, I see in the latest patch Glenn says noone remembers him I think he even mentions the King by name.  He would have TTI since the assumed canon ending is the one whre Lucca brings them all to the present?  This would have to be fixed via dialogue so i'll leave it up to Zeality.

--JP