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Ryu-Kami

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Harle and the Dragons in the Ideal World
« on: October 29, 2006, 01:57:03 am »
I need some opinions in this. Roughly, I'll start by stating my views in the Ideal world and the dragon god's presents in other dimensions.

At the end of CC, the timeline replays itself as if the Time-Devouer never existed after a certain point. No TD equals no flame(or at least power for it) Just long enough for El Nido to remind as is until before the time-split.  Meaning Schala made it so Serge can be who he is, and not changing too much.

And one the subject of dragons and Harle, is that if a being is powerful enough, they're not soaffect by edits or splits in history. Unleast someone can correct me, there was no Harle in Home World just like they was no Fire Dragon, White dragon or Earth dragon. Most likely, the connection to TD and Schala made them immune to being 'copied' like the two Leena's or two Masamune's.

Know to my point of interest. If the TD dies, the dragon-gods in earth would probably die too.  Just to say, if Schala still has/had some powers from the TD, would she exists keep them alive?

Sorry if this seems too stupid, or if it has been covered before. I have my own Chrono project and it came up.

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Re: Harle and the Dragons in the Ideal World
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2006, 10:49:23 am »
Actually, the Dragons weren't "Unable to be copied." It's just that they were, in a way, outside of time like the Time Devourer and Schala, since they were a part of it. Harle was copied, but the Home World version got lost in the Dead Sea with the Home World Lynx.

My theory is that the Dragons and Harle are gone now. The Flame was used to seal them away, and merged them into the Time Devourer, but the Time Devourer doesn't exist so they'd just phase out of existence. No Dragon Gods, no Harle.

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Re: Harle and the Dragons in the Ideal World
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2006, 11:10:21 am »
Actually yes, the Dragons were able to be copied. It's just that they were taken care of by FATE, since she didn't have any use for a second set. This was confirmed by Masato Kato in an interview:

Quote from: Interview with Mr. Masato Kato (Ultimania)
Question: Why do Lynx, Harle and the Six Dragon Gods exist in only one of
Home World and Another World?

Answer: Regarding the Six Dragon Gods, originally they existed in two
dimensions, but it was made such that each in either word was destroyed. As
for Lynx and Harle, there were two of them but Lynx and Harle disappeared in
the Dead Sea in Home World.

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Re: Harle and the Dragons in the Ideal World
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2006, 02:01:14 pm »
Well, quite frankly, if Harle doesn't exist, then Kid shouldnt exist if time re-wrote itself to a point. It's still uncertain wether time rewrote itself from the Magnetic storm, from 12,000BC or from 1020AD.
And then i'd wonder how the CC would help heal the Reptite Dimension aswell. Mabye they were rewritten to a point where the Dragon God was never taken out.

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Re: Harle and the Dragons in the Ideal World
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2006, 05:18:38 pm »
Actually yes, the Dragons were able to be copied. It's just that they were taken care of by FATE, since she didn't have any use for a second set. This was confirmed by Masato Kato in an interview:

Quote from: Interview with Mr. Masato Kato (Ultimania)
Question: Why do Lynx, Harle and the Six Dragon Gods exist in only one of
Home World and Another World?

Answer: Regarding the Six Dragon Gods, originally they existed in two
dimensions, but it was made such that each in either word was destroyed. As
for Lynx and Harle, there were two of them but Lynx and Harle disappeared in
the Dead Sea in Home World.


How could she/it do that? I thought FATE only had minimum control of Home World, outside of the Dead Sea? How could it been powerful enough to destroy 6 dragons?

Also, I was given the impression that their wasn't a second Harle in Home World. Her quote about having nothing to do with HW's Viper Manor.

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Re: Harle and the Dragons in the Ideal World
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2006, 07:37:35 pm »
Ughh, that's a good question. There's no stated answer I guess, and looking back, it seems Kato didn't explicitely mention FATE. If it was really FATE who destroyed the extra Dragons (3 in Home, 3 in Another), I suppose she could have done so by using the Frozen Flame of each dimension to simply erase them. This is provided that the Dragons have some sort of vital link with the Flame... this is not stated, but it might be possible since the seal that keeps them divided is maintained by the Flame.

If it wasn't FATE, then maybe it was Lynx who kicked their asses manually...

Who else could have destroyed them... Belthasar? the Time Devourer? Really, I don't know.

In any case, the (only?) known fact is that the Dragon Gods and Harle did originally exist in both worlds. This was stated by Masato Kato himself. To say that Kato in the interview has made a mistake about his own story might be... possible, maybe, but it's kind of bizarre.

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Re: Harle and the Dragons in the Ideal World
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2006, 08:26:07 pm »
Yeah, I'll have to change some things. At least "Belthasar was responsible" helps.

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Re: Harle and the Dragons in the Ideal World
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2006, 08:42:28 pm »
Sometimes, I even wonder if Kato was drunk during the interview or something...

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Re: Harle and the Dragons in the Ideal World
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2006, 03:00:42 am »
Yeah, I'll have to change some things. At least "Belthasar was responsible" helps.

I can live with that. The old guy seemingly planned out everything but which pair of underwear Serge were.