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Re: Led Zeppelin...anyone?
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2006, 04:38:08 pm »
Of course, their band name comes from a prophecy of failure by Pete Townshend: 'you guys are going to crash like a lead balloon.' Yeah, right, Pete. Whatever were the Who next to Zeppelin?

And here's a funny story: at first, Plant and Bonam (how the heck do you spell his name?) were mere paid members of the band - it was the others two, Page and the other guy that were the starting members. They just hired these others guys. And apparently, they treated Plant and Bonam like servants for a while, getting them to do menial tasks like getting them coffee. Funny stuff.

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Re: Led Zeppelin...anyone?
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2006, 05:22:41 pm »
Thorpe has something for everyone:

I don't give a lot of credit to guitarists who won their status with technical skill. I pretty much just categorize "technical" guitar players as egotistical idiot-savants popular among nerds and people with no concept of art. If you're asking if there are any guitarists more technically skilled than Vai, I don't know. There probably aren't a lot of them. However, being the most technically skilled guitar player in the world means about as much in terms of actually making good music as would being the most technically skilled topiary gardener.

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« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2006, 07:07:43 pm »
Thorpe has something for everyone:

I don't give a lot of credit to guitarists who won their status with technical skill. I pretty much just categorize "technical" guitar players as egotistical idiot-savants popular among nerds and people with no concept of art. If you're asking if there are any guitarists more technically skilled than Vai, I don't know. There probably aren't a lot of them. However, being the most technically skilled guitar player in the world means about as much in terms of actually making good music as would being the most technically skilled topiary gardener.

Holy mother of god. Vai makes a guitar cry like no other human being has ever made. He is not just the most technical guitar player I've ever heard, he actually has an extraordinary ability in putting feelings inside his music. He is the only guitar player I know of who has actually mastered guitar technique, application of talent and the utmost ability of giving his guitar a voice, a heart and a soul.

Malmsteen is an example of what I would call of a purely technical guitar player. You listen to his music and you think "Wow, fucking awesome", but it doesn't really touch you. Vai's music has the power to take you on a reflection about things that you cannot even explain. It makes you dream.


*Vai is like Rock Lee, who has mastered taijutsu, who has mastered application of his talent on taijutsu and who has the utmost, invincible ability of putting his heart and soul not only on his fists, but into everything he does.  :lee: (yeah, that was low, I know >.>)
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« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2006, 07:18:15 pm »
I really like Led Zeppelin

but Black Sabbath will always be my soundtrack of life

man, the 70s really rocks, we had Pink Floyd, Sabbath, Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Alice Cooper,  Robin Trower ...

Long Live Rock and Roll


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« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2006, 01:36:36 am »
I really like Led Zeppelin

but Black Sabbath will always be my soundtrack of life

man, the 70s really rocks, we had Pink Floyd, Sabbath, Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Alice Cooper,  Robin Trower ...

Long Live Rock and Roll


hell yes the 70s rocked, damn, i wish i could have lived in that era, going to all those concerts and stuff...awesome

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Re: Led Zeppelin...anyone?
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2006, 04:55:30 am »
The Who is way better than Led Zeppelin.

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Re: Led Zeppelin...anyone?
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2006, 04:25:31 pm »
The Who is way better than Led Zeppelin.
ahahaha, ur joking right?

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« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2006, 05:17:19 pm »
The Who is way better than Led Zeppelin.

How many great songs have come out of the Who? How many out of Zeppelin? From what I've heard, the Who was one of the lesser bands of the old and mid Rock (pre-90s) era, outmatched by the Stones, Zeppelin, Van Halen, Black Sabbath, Guns 'n' Roses, and pretty much any other band one could think of. Okay, so that's my brother's opinion on the matter. But truth be told, from all the Rock songs I've ever heard, the Who features very little into it - I know much more of any of those other bands. Actually, wait, I know one band I could personally class as worse: Pink Floyd. Strange experimental songs that really don't go anywhere. I don't think they were even Rock, were they?

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Re: Led Zeppelin...anyone?
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2006, 05:50:52 pm »
Who has more songs on TV nowadays? The Who, that's who. Some bands, like authors never get big until much later.

And Pink Floyd is good! I would have expected you of all people to understand. I mean they have a fucking album that can be played along with Wizard of Oz!

Et tu, Daniel?

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Re: Led Zeppelin...anyone?
« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2006, 07:53:43 pm »
You can't trust tastes by listening to classic rock. It's all corporate playlists determined to appeal to broad audiences.If they wanted to divide by quality and oringality, they would not be announcing Def Leppard alongside Jimi Hendrix. Instead, there'd be Beatles, Stones, Hendrix, Cream, Who, that kind of thing, then a 70s program with Zeppelin, Clapton, all that, then 80s, with AC/DC and those pals. Instead, it's all mish-mashed together and the poppy-stuff (which makes for easier listening) is played more often than material from the 1960's.

But I don't have much to do with classic rock stations anymore since they don't play much 80s pop or 60s rock. Instead, it's hair metal stuff, 70s crap (like Steve Miller, who I'm absolutely sick of), and that sort of thing. Of course, if this city had more radio stations, I'd definitely be tuned in to them -- like an 80s pop channel, similar to the one on the internet I'm using to create my ultimate collection. But the closest thing we have to 80s is a soft rock station and a classic / modern rock station. Sadly, the latter one is unbearable due to their playing modern rock. I'm lost on the youth of today and their capacity to listen to absolute dissonance. In the 80s, people knew how to rock and throw a party and have funk while still retaining melody and a positive attitude. Now, most rock sounds like the Passion of the Christ on electric guitar sung by zombies and most pop is dumbed-down studio magic sung by a pretty face. And don't even begin talking about bad hip hop. There are two dimensions to that -- the unoriginal, Escalade-rapping, mass-marketed bullcrap and the glossy stuff that appears in every hip-new-device-that-you-must-buy commercial ever made. It's staggering how many commercials now rely on a hip hop beat. At least in the 80s, hip hop was original and political.
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Re: Led Zeppelin...anyone?
« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2006, 07:58:34 pm »
The radio station I listen to is a modern rock station, but they play 60's, 70's and 80's rock more. I like it that way.

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Re: Led Zeppelin...anyone?
« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2006, 08:10:22 pm »
I've posted the six qualities of saving rock before, but I'd trade the other five in if I could just get competent musicianship. You know what? I'm going to demonstrate. Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg86zAN4TEs

God bless the singer. He's doing just as much as needed and barely belts out the chorus, all the while evading the responsibility of caring for the lyrics (if he actually wrote them). It's almost pseudo-sing/talking, and not the good king like the B-52s pulled off. The melody sounds like the result of someone messing with a pitch tuner on a vintage recording of Thomas Edison wrapping his mouth in cellophane and burping into a half-operable phonograph in the early 1900s. Try playing it on a piano; it sounds like absolute crap. The guitar is all tuned to be pitch-perfect and the "rhythm guitar" (if you even want to insult the concept by applying it here) is just your standard modern rock power chord. This entire thing could have been done in FruityLoops; with high-quality samples, you could fool all but the best audiophiles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ta1x_Yh82c

Now take this. The melody is infectious and the instrumentation is hot. Things don't robotically fade at the end of each note. You can almost believe that the entire band played this in one take. There's improvisation; the guitar guy keeps things fresh in the background while Huey Lewis does a great job having fun with the singing. The horn section maintains strong rhythm -- honestly, a rock band with a horn section is usually halfway to success by virtue of the brass. This is an enjoyable song with some good musicianship going on and a melody that stays in your head and picks you up. Still, this music video and song would be smirked at today.

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And that's not even getting into the callous, pedantic crap the musicians of today actually "write" about (quotation marks because very few pop singers write their own material; compare to American Idol). That's a "world's culture is going to crap" argument for another time. But perhaps you'll know now why fun 80s rock destroys absolutely every piece of modern rock out there. There are a slew of reasons you could chalk up to this. MTV has put a face on music and has destroyed independent valuation of musical quality. Record labels repackage stuff as "Neo-Soul" or "Nu Metal". Labels only stick to proven formulas. There's an influx of Latino culture (jazz lovers might remember awful bossa nova), along with the macho ideals that have changed what's considered hip by young people. Or, the kids of today have just gotten stupid as hell when it comes to music.

And for anyone even thinking of arguing, come back when the VMA winner of 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcurCDt5EeE

can even hold a candle next to the VMA winner of 1986.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riPHAFEJVA8
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Re: Led Zeppelin...anyone?
« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2006, 09:04:00 pm »
i don't like my classic rock station here, they play way to much of tom petty, stones, and pink floyd. but i never get tired of hearing zeppelin, but they never play any of their best songs, they play ramble on to much, i enjoy good times bad times, even better then i like stairway, hell achillies last stand is better then stairway, the reason why i don't like stairway that much is, because, i ask people if they know led zeppelin, they say know, then i ask them if they've heard stairway to heaven, they're like, yeah i love that song! it's my most favorite, but they don't know the damn band that plays it!

and for all you people who posted on this topic, critisizing led zeppelin, go post somewhere else, cuz this is a LED ZEPPELIN topic, god.

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Re: Led Zeppelin...anyone?
« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2006, 09:08:39 pm »
Hey! I like Tom Petty!

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Re: Led Zeppelin...anyone?
« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2006, 02:39:06 am »
The Who is way better than Led Zeppelin.
ahahaha, ur joking right?
Heck no. The Who were the forefathers of punk, while the Led Zeppelin were the forefathers of boredom. The Who had awesome tunes, with awesome vocals. It seemed like everyone was solo-ing! It doesn't make sense how everyone can be doing what they want to do but still make the song rock.

The Who were awesome live too.

But don't trust me, I don't care much about ol' style rock anymore. I realized that hearing the same rock n' roll or blues melody over and over again wasn't much exciting. I'm hooked on Sonic Youth, Radiohead and Nirvana right now :P Oh, and the Clash. London Calling has to be the greatest album of all time, possibly behind MTV Unplugged in New York by Nirvana.

Pink Floyd isn't really comparable to other old style rockers. They were more prog rock with psychedelic influences, and actually had meaningful songs. Other bands were just "out there to have fun".

EDIT: And on the topic of rock in the 60's, does anyone like the Doors?