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The Dating and Relationships Thread
« on: November 29, 2006, 06:15:09 pm »
Wow, so I'm totally the least qualified person to start this.  But this is a thread that every forum should probably have, albeit with some ground rules to make it civilized.

1) Sexual orientation doesn't matter here, nor does religion, race, or age.  It may be relevant to a topic, but it is never an excuse to put someone down.  If you want to bash someone on account of their religion, do it in a thread specifically dedicated to that.
2) This thread is not for the discussion of obviously harmful or disrespectful sexual activities, including but not necessarily limited to pedophilia, beastiality, necrophilia, and rape.  If you feel the urge to do something of that nature, don't tell it to us; seek professional help before you hurt someone.  If you come in here confessing that you've actually done something like that, don't be surprised if one of us calls the police.  Ephebophilia (sex with a consenting teenage partner not yet of the legal age of consent) is treading the line; depending on where you live, the age of consent may be different, or local authorities may not prosecute if the age gap is small enough; for example, age gaps of less than three years are rarely prosecuted here.  In any case, use common sense, and don't get anyone hurt.
3) This thread is not for insulting people.  It is for healing and edification, so if you feel the need to spew a stream of vitriol, whatever your motivations, do it somewhere else.  Teasing is acceptable, depending on the context; use your own better judgment as to what is and isn't intended maliciously.  Any material obviously intended to cause offense will probably be edited over by a moderator; depending on the severity of the offense, warnings or bannings may be handed out.
4) One potential topic in this thread is frank discussion of sex, including topics such as birth control, g-spots, and different types of intercourse.  If you can't handle this, don't read the thread.
5) This thread is not for posting porn.  I love it as much as the next bloke, but it adds nothing to the topic.  Discussion of porn with respect to relationships is permitted.

With that said, post away.  I'm sure at least some of you have relationships.   :P
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Re: The Dating and Relationships Thread
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2006, 03:48:21 am »
Ephebophilia (sex with a consenting teenage partner not yet of the legal age of consent) is treading the line; depending on where you live, the age of consent may be different, or local authorities may not prosecute if the age gap is small enough; for example, age gaps of less than three years are rarely prosecuted here.
While some legislation dealing with age of consent sets a hard and fast age under which sexual relations are prohibited, some jurisdictions have included exceptions to this. The exception can take the form of a defence at trial on the grounds of the close age of the participants, or can be an actual close in age exemption in the law negating any charges. The latter details acceptable age ranges for consensual sex between peers that otherwise would not be legal because one or both of the participants would be below the age of consent. The age differences of these two types of legislation vary by jurisdiction, from as low as one year to as high as ten years (eg South Australia and Colorado).
With that said, post away.  I'm sure at least some of you have relationships.   :P
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Re: The Dating and Relationships Thread
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2006, 06:38:43 am »


3) This thread is not for insulting people.  It is for healing and edification, so if you feel the need to spew a stream of vitriol, whatever your motivations, do it somewhere else.  Teasing is acceptable, depending on the context; use your own better judgment as to what is and isn't intended maliciously.  Any material obviously intended to cause offense will probably be edited over by a moderator; depending on the severity of the offense, warnings or bannings may be handed out.

5) This thread is not for posting porn.  I love it as much as the next bloke, but it adds nothing to the topic.  Discussion of porn with respect to relationships is permitted.

None of you think for one second that this isn't backed up, either; you should know by now what is acceptable and what isn't.

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Re: The Dating and Relationships Thread
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2006, 12:41:42 pm »
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2) This thread is not for the discussion of obviously harmful or disrespectful sexual activities, including but not necessarily limited to pedophilia, beastiality, necrophilia, and rape.

The German Law doesn't forbid beastiality, meaning it is not "obviously harmful or disrespectful".

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Re: The Dating and Relationships Thread
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2006, 12:48:38 pm »
Funny thing. There are already 3 replies and absolutely no mention to any relationships. Well, 4 now.

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Re: The Dating and Relationships Thread
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2006, 04:27:22 pm »
Even though it is in the past, I'd rather not post it here, just in case she is watching . . .

I do not have time for relationships or girls at the moment, but please, if anyone else has a story or 2, I would like to hear about the successes and failures.

A.K.A. - I would like to assimilate your data for my needs in the future, so yes, resistance in this case is futile. :)

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Re: The Dating and Relationships Thread
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2006, 05:03:20 pm »
From my favorite reporter...

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Yakshemash! In US of A, if you want to marry a girl, you cannot just go to her father and swap her for 15 gallons of pesticide. Here you have to do something called dating. I find out more. Chenkuye.

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Re: The Dating and Relationships Thread
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2006, 03:29:47 am »
Why is everybody in such a rush to find a mate? You'll all have most of your lives for that. Enjoy the single years! Find completion in yourself, find satisfaction on your own...and then you'll be in a much better position to talk about what you want in a lover.

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2006, 05:49:07 am »
Why is everybody in such a rush to find a mate? You'll all have most of your lives for that. Enjoy the single years! Find completion in yourself, find satisfaction on your own...and then you'll be in a much better position to talk about what you want in a lover.

Hmph. Good advice, to be sure. But nonetheless...

What's the rush? I don't know. I'm almost 23 - I think that's high time. I have a university degree, working on another one. I suppose I sort of feel 'alright, enough of this bloody schoolwork; I've been so focussed on it, I've missed out in forging relationships.' Because that's how it's been. The way most people see it, I have a very dull life (I'd contest that, of course; personally, I find reading literature and learning dead languages to be quite fulfilling, more so than doing what their defenition of 'fun' is.)

But I must say, I find little enjoyment in the single years (that is, I'm guessing, as opposed to what it'd be non-single - the single doesn't add anything to my enjoyment of life), at least not in anything that being not single would change. My only joys comes from reading my ancient works, from my studies, from my writing. I've got little stock in being free to do my own things, because I never really do. Yeah, sure I waste a lot of time on the computer, but that's something I'd gladly cut out. I guess it's just that I'm not someone to value my freedom as a youth much, partially because I've never felt its existence. But I think that's a family trait - maybe even genetic. My parents especially are very much work and duty oriented. Like it or not, that's what I'm stuck with for myself, and as such, being raised as I was, wouldn't even really know how to go out and enjoy myself like most people do. The coffee shop is my favoured hangout, after all. Heh. Honestly, single or not, it wouldn't really change anything for me. I'm 'wasting' my single years in academics, anyway.

But you're right to some degree, and I know it. When one finds completion in oneself, then you'll be in a better position. Though it might be said not having experienced any real relationships in youth make it difficult to know how to begin them later. A sort of crucial developmental step that's lacking, as it were. And yes, I'm speaking from personal experience, I'll not deny that. Not that I lack social graces or anything - I'm personable, and friendly (usually), if a bit overly-talkative at times to people I know - but am far too patient and reserved for my own good. It makes it difficult to forge any sort of relationship when one's always holding back because of uncertainty - always wanting to be sure and in control and understanding of one's own decisions. It's the uncertainty that always kills me. And I'm never one to just act on impulse. And, partially, that's because I'm not sure what the proper way of acting in circumstances with women often is. My own fault, of course - too bloody serious, and I think WAY too much for my own good - but hey, it's my character and nature. Not much to be done about that.

So, yeah, I'm not all too up on the whole relationship thing. My character and personality, and various other things, have the twofold problem of, on one hand making me too pensive to usually ask women out (not cowardly fear, though it might be construed as that - if I knew that it was the right thing to do, I'd go for it without problem; not knowing if it is right is my main concern), and on the other of making me appear too... hmm... not very desirable from first impressions. My hobbies aren't too gregarious, I'm tall but very scrawny, and too innately serious to be noticed by most women.* Yeah, sure, I've got pretty good intelligence, but it's the slow and academic sort. I'm not quick-witted, and not really funny (for some strange reason women seem to want their men to be entertainers these days, or that's what I gather from how many say that they want a guy who can make them laugh. What's up with that? I sure don't want a woman who makes me laugh. I want one whom I can have serious discussions with), and not very prone to having 'fun.' I'm very much different than most people my age. It takes a very certain, and rare, sort of woman who can understand and respect that - as yet, I don't think I've met any. But don't think I'm depressive, either! On the flipside, heck, I don't think badly of myself. I'm confident enough, and like myself how I am. Okay, sure, I know I can improve my own resolve to do my schoolwork (I am too bloody lazy usually), but that's just the problem of not having fully actualized myself. Like I said, I'm different, but I'm bloody proud of that - I've got no desire to blend into the crowd, as it were. It's only unfortunate that, as is to be expected, most women prefer men who do follow the crowd. Most really don't value my virtues. And I'm not giving in ever - I'm not bending and following the crowd for that cause. In the end, this will either get me the perfect woman, or nothing.

Okay, I'm blabbing here like an idiot. My last word on relationships? I haven't had any, because I just don't ask anyone out. For fear? Nah. Girls don't scare me (okay, some do, but that's specific circumstance) - not being able to read the signs of things, nor knowing exactly what is proper, and valuing acting rightly perhaps too much, lead me to hold back most often. If I were to ask someone out that I'd seen once, or twice, or even ten times, that'd be too soon for my cautious mind - it would just seem strange to me. I think I have to wait for a very, very clear indication that both she likes me, and I like her (knowing oneself is often very difficult, of course.) As such, I don't often approach women (only when I'm absolutely sure it's what I want, which has been rare - occassionally, but rare), and of course women don't really approach me (nor do I think would I really clue in anyway if they did.) Thus, it's simple, I've never really given having a relationship with anyone half a chance.

Sound too emotional? Yeah, probably. Unfortunately this topic brings that out in me. My emotions are one of those things I'd wish to change about myself - I'd rather be a bit more of a Stoic, I think I have a bit too much visible emotion. Admittedly this topic does vex me greatly, but nevertheless Lord J's words are what reason tells me. And at the end of the day, it is that which wins.

*Yeah, it's not that I'm that bad looking. I don't think I am, at any rate. It's just I probably seem a bit sickly. I usually stay up till all hours of the night (like now), so I'm tired as hell most of the time. I eat irregularly, and am incredibly pensive and worried (a touch of hypochondria - I'm always worried about some thing or another), which drains a lot of energy. As such, despite being 6' tall, I'm only 140lb or so. Quite scrawny and gaunt, and probably look half-dead most of the time. On the same token, I'm usually pretty intense and serious, at least by inward nature. Strangely, I'll be the first to laugh at things (a bit too silly in that regard, but can't help it), but really, I treat things very seriously. I don't like the ephemeral or the trivial, usually. I probably look like some academic monk or something. A sort of scholarly recluse - I guess that's basically what I am, anyway. That doesn't create a very endearing first impression. But that, too, is in my nature. I like myself looking gaunt; I like my intensity. I have no inclination to change that. That instills the benefit of self-confidence, at least, but I'm still a fringe personality. I'm definitely not of a cool crowd type, nor am I a nerd either. In memory I still detest those more nerdy years of mine - actually, I stopped wearing my glasses in the summer because I just didn't like the way they look on me. Granted, I can't see quite as well, but it's minor (my eyes aren't that bad.) I like to see myself as more of an artist-scholar. Delusions of grandeur? Heh. Maybe, but I like that self-image, so I'm sticking with it. Anyway, furthermore, I've got that strange personality - actually, it seems to rather run in the family - where I've got no problem being friendly with people, having long conversations with absolute strangers, and generally feeling comfortable in crowds, yet not forging friendships or relationships out of it. Almost like... everything is very much on a professional level - not personal. I'm loath to impose myself personally on someone - I guess I feel like I'm there to teach them something, to give them something I know (heh, I guess I'm a born professor), but that's just it... I'm teaching, or having an intellectual conversation. Again, not a very endearing trait, at least not as a first impression. I guess I'm interesting, but not particularly desirable. Someone like me is probably too much effort for a woman to want to put in. I'm not simple, and I'm not like most other guys. In my defence for that, I would not ever want a simple woman. I would honestly want one who is eccentric.

Anyway, last thing...
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Re: The Dating and Relationships Thread
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2006, 07:15:50 am »
Why is everybody in such a rush to find a mate?

Some people fear of death. They are like: If I die now by an accident, and I never had that experience in relationship, my life lacked of something. So they try to get this experience as fast as possible.
Other people fear of being alone, and the human doesn't seem to like that(exceptions there, of course), so they try to find their "first best solution", which would be finding a mate in a lot of cases. In some cases it is not really the kind of love you share between a "real" couple, more like a love between friends, yet no one realises it and because of that the mate relationship fails very often. Ever heard "we can still be friends"?

I myself don't have a mate, and never had*, yet I am "only" 17(18 in 20 days, looking forward to my b-day topic heh ). The relationships from my friends, classmates, people I know etc. I observed are more or less something I would'nt like to have. Why? Well, they just don't seem that special, more like "good friends", and that's why they don't last very long. This doesn't fit into the "find a mate as fast as possible" youth I seem to live in, so yeah, untill I find someone I can really trust and love. Not that I have much tiem between drugs and school anyways.

*Just "wanted" someone once(and that was never ever anytime else, so it was something "new" for me), but didn't work out to well, it[?] actually hates me now. In the internet we cover this up with the word "Ownd"

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Does the english language have different grammatical genders from the "real" ones? I wasn't sure above8see the [?] because we in german have both different, like girl is "it" in grammatical sense, even though a girl is female in real life, etc.. So if I say "someone", do I have to use a pronoun that considers the real life gender, or is there an "own" grammatical gender like in the german language?
(sorry for offtopicness, it just came into my mind while writing this post, and I want to write at least a bit correct)
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2006, 07:54:14 am »
Gendered cases do not exist in modern English. For the most part, you're fine. You speak English more gooder than many of the natives.

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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2006, 11:01:27 am »
Gendered cases do not exist in modern English. For the most part, you're fine. You speak English more gooder than many of the natives.

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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2006, 04:04:03 pm »
Well if you really want to get down to it as far as stuff between men and women goes, it's the people who are most afraid of being alone and most uncomfortable with themselves that most desire relationships and also are the same ones who never have any luck with the opposite sex because they telegraph their insecurity and lack of self-confidence.  The path to getting the opposite sex to notice you is self-discovery and building self confidence.  After that, the opposite sex noticing you just happens because you're confident in yourself and you're telegraphing that.  Moral of the story: confidence is attractive. 

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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2006, 04:42:32 pm »
Yeah, and not just for the opposite sex, to wieden this moral a bit.
Another moral: Be yourself. If someone loves you how you are, he/she does, if not, don't bother with it and try to change yourself for just that person. It won't work.

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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2006, 04:58:28 pm »
If you don't have confidence, though, you get rejected, which gives you less confidence, which gets you rejected.  It's a vicious cycle, and it doesn't just apply to relationships.  That sort of thing can happen in every facet of your life, not just relationships.  If you fail a math test, your confidence gets hit; you might decide to buck up and study harder next time, or you might decide that you just suck at math and won't even try anymore.  Every person I've ever tutored in it has had some symptoms of that particular syndrome.

As far as changing people, it can't be done.  I learned that firsthand, and it hurt like a bitch.  One of the posters on the Tucker Max forums had this to say on the subject:

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A few words of advice that should be obvious to most but still very hard to reconcile mentally.

You cannot base a relationship with someone on the hope that they will change into someone else. If the person they are today is not someone you want to be spending your life with, and if they still acted the same way in a year you wouldn't want to be with them... then forget it. You're in love with the person you wish they were, or you hope they could become. Unfortunately, you have to deal with the person who actually exists.

People very rarely change, and when they do, it happens glacially. The worst thing you can do to yourself is get obsessed with someone who's a jerk, slut, or a liar, and expect them to turn into someone else with your help. In reality, you're just lying to yourself so you don't have to admit that you made a mistake in pursuing them. You can not change people period. People have to change themselves. You have to either be willing to accept someone in a relationship for who they are, or not be in one at all. Trying to turn them into someone else while living with an asshole in the meantime just doesn't work, you're showing them that it's all right to be an asshole.

People are great at kidding themselves, tricking themselves into seeing what they want to see in another person and projecting their feelings externally. Guys and girls both can also be good at leading other people along or telling them what they want to hear so they'll remain attracted or stay in a relationship while they keep screwing around. If you actually want to live like an adult, you have to cut through other people's bullshit and your own and accept things as they are. The truth is often quite simple, we'd just rather not accept it.

You cannot change or redeem your friend/Tucker Max with all of your virtue. You can not turn him into a mature, respectful of women, god-honoring saint. You have to accept him for who he is, or decide he's not right for you. Lying to yourself and him about what you want just shows denial and insecurity.