who was the final wielder of the Masamune? (Fall of Guardia, & a ? about Glenn)

[Zaperking]

The Masamune has the power to teleport around as shown in CC.

And to anyone who thinks that Lynx can wield it, it's not like he's the rightful owner, it's just that he's Wazuki's body morphed, with FATE controling him, so FATE can't be possessed by a sword.

[grey_the_angel]

technically, the sword is in Serge's hands now. He got it after masa and mune awoke to the bloodlust they caused, and were scolded by doreen. After that, Masa Mune fused with Doreen and forged Master mune.

[Kyronea]

The Masamune has the power to teleport around as shown in CC.

True.

And to anyone who thinks that Lynx can wield it, it's not like he's the rightful owner, it's just that he's Wazuki's body morphed, with FATE controling him, so FATE can't be possessed by a sword.

While true, I don't understand this rightful owner bit. It's not as if Melchior intended the sword to be owned by any one person...it can be used by anyone, so long as it is used justly, for good, and all that.

technically, the sword is in Serge's hands now. He got it after masa and mune awoke to the bloodlust they caused, and were scolded by doreen. After that, Masa Mune fused with Doreen and forged Master mune.

But what happened to the Masamune/Mastermune after the events in the DBT? What happens to it in the Ideal Timeline?

[grey_the_angel]

The Masamune has the power to teleport around as shown in CC.

True.

And to anyone who thinks that Lynx can wield it, it's not like he's the rightful owner, it's just that he's Wazuki's body morphed, with FATE controling him, so FATE can't be possessed by a sword.

While true, I don't understand this rightful owner bit. It's not as if Melchior intended the sword to be owned by any one person...it can be used by anyone, so long as it is used justly, for good, and all that.

technically, the sword is in Serge's hands now. He got it after masa and mune awoke to the bloodlust they caused, and were scolded by doreen. After that, Masa Mune fused with Doreen and forged Master mune.

But what happened to the Masamune/Mastermune after the events in the DBT? What happens to it in the Ideal Timeline?

I think he still owns it. I mean... why throw away a super oar?

[Kyronea]

That's not the issue. Time was rewritten as if Time Devourer never existed. Apart from Serge and whoever else was with him in the DBT, no one recalls the events because they never happened, not in the Ideal Timeline. As such, what would have happened to the Masamune?

[grey_the_angel]

That's not the issue. Time was rewritten as if Time Devourer never existed. Apart from Serge and whoever else was with him in the DBT, no one recalls the events because they never happened, not in the Ideal Timeline. As such, what would have happened to the Masamune?

Oh well in that case: a wizard did it.

[ZeaLitY]

That's not the issue. Time was rewritten as if Time Devourer never existed. Apart from Serge and whoever else was with him in the DBT, no one recalls the events because they never happened, not in the Ideal Timeline. As such, what would have happened to the Masamune?

One big question is if the unification preempts all Time Traveler's Immunity somehow. It's a completely speculative question relying on our own understanding of internal logic, and the attempt to cover it in Chrono Cross Resolutions can easily go over one's head...it was tough to write.

But I guess what happens with TTI is, Masa, Mune, and Doreen all come back in with...well, nevermind. I was going to say that the trip to 1015 A.D. to save Kid would give them TTI and qualify them as coming back, but Serge would arrive at that point to. He'd be Time Bastarded mercilessly, but even this is taking it too far.

Without TTI, the short answer is that Chrono Cross's ending is a giant void.

[Zaperking]

That's not the issue. Time was rewritten as if Time Devourer never existed. Apart from Serge and whoever else was with him in the DBT, no one recalls the events because they never happened, not in the Ideal Timeline. As such, what would have happened to the Masamune?

The Masamune probably just went around, menacing the world until Doreen finds Masa and Mune.

[Kyronea]

One big question is if the unification preempts all Time Traveler's Immunity somehow. It's a completely speculative question relying on our own understanding of internal logic, and the attempt to cover it in Chrono Cross Resolutions can easily go over one's head...it was tough to write.

But I guess what happens with TTI is, Masa, Mune, and Doreen all come back in with...well, nevermind. I was going to say that the trip to 1015 A.D. to save Kid would give them TTI and qualify them as coming back, but Serge would arrive at that point to. He'd be Time Bastarded mercilessly, but even this is taking it too far.

Without TTI, the short answer is that Chrono Cross's ending is a giant void.

So, essentially, like with everything else after Chrono Cross, we have no bloody idea and all of our theories and speculations are all for naught. Damn it but we need a new Chrono game! So many questions left unanswered...so many theories created for this and that...

Still, I would have to say that the reunification does not rewrite Time Traveler's Immunity but it all depends on whether the DBT was aligned with any specific point in time or not. If it would be aligned with anything, it would be either 12,000 B.C.--the moment of Schala's entry--or 1999 A.D.--the moment of Lavos' entry. If it is the former then any case of Time Traveler's Immunity after 12,000 B.C. is ignored because the entire timeline is completely rewritten. If, however, it was 1999 A.D., then all Time Traveler's Immunity cases for our heroes apply.

Of course, it could also be aligned with 1010 A.D., the time of the Dimensional Split, in which case once again, Time Traveler's Immunity cases are rewritten, and all events proceed from that date.

But what is far more likely is that it is not aligned with any particular date or time along the timeline, and as such the entire timeline is rewritten in some fashion, with all Time Traveler's Immunity cases ignored yet again.

...as I said, this is all speculation with no real basis in anything but our own theories which in and of themselves are occasionally shaky, though at least unlike theories I've seen for other games they are quite sound on the whole.

[Chrono'99]

Even in Cross, it was intentionally made so that the most important question was left unanswered (laugh).