who was the final wielder of the Masamune? (Fall of Guardia, & a ? about Glenn)

[ChronoGuardian]

whats up everyone....
i'm new here to the community, & (of course) like most newbies i'd like to apologize in advance if this question/ theory has been posted already....

I've noticed that in all the discussions and theories surrounding the Fall Of Guardia, the one thing that most ppl wonder about is who killed the last soldier, and subsequently stole the Masamune.

I'm actually wondering about the identity of that last soldier, the one who was wielding the Masamune before it was stolen. Yeah I know, it might be some random npc that bears no significance to the Chrono story. And yet.... i ask this because the Masamune is no random sword.... From what i've been reading, Glenn (Frog) evidently passed the sword down within the walls of Guardia... I'm assuming that specifically it was passed down to Guardia's most powerful knight/ captain of the guard, (no pun intended) through the generations...

To make a long question short what i've also wondered is if Glenn himself ever fathered any children, and if he did, might have the Masamune (along with the Hero's Medal) ever been passed down to each of his descendants as well? And if this is true, could that final slain soldier be Glenn's modern day kin? & even if not, the question still remains.... if that soldier wasn't Glenn's descendant, what-if there IS a next of kin out there? Might have this person survived the fall, but just wasn't as strong as his/ her ancestor to wield the sword.... maybe this person wasn't even a knight? 

I guess this is something I should send in to the writers and developers of Chrono Break... I think it'd be cool if there was a new character preferably tied to Glenn if there's ever a new game... & since the Masamune is such a pivotal weapon, and Glenn was one of two notable knights to ever wield it (the other being Cyrus), there should be a character with ties to Glenn if the Masamune continues to be an important weapon in a future game.

One more thing i'd like to point out... in that final cutscene, we see the Masamune being stolen... but we don't see the Hero Medal being taken with it... The two complement each other, the wielder of the Masamune in fact NEEDS it to unleash the sword's full power.... you'd think that the killer would've also taken the medal... unless that last soldier wasn't wearing it... & if that's the case, then who currently has possession of the Hero's Medal?

***Oh and for the record... i flat out refuse to believe that Crono and Marle died during the Fall.... until we all see their demise in a cutscene or in a game of some sort then i'm not buying it. That's like killing off Link and Zelda and still having new games with Zelda as the title in some way...***

[AuraTwilight]

Actually, I'm pretty sure Glenn returned the Masamune to it's proper resting place, the guy who used it in the war is some random evil bastard, and that Glenn may or may not have had children, but it doesn't matter.

The Hero's Medal isn't NEEDED to unlock the Masamune's true power, the weilder's will is. However, most people believed that was the case, so anyone in that area/era needed the Hero's Medal to unlock their own conviction.

As for your last point, it's not the same. Crono and Marle only appeared in two games and have lived out their stories. Whether they live or die in the Fall of Guardia isn't important, as they're nowhere NEAR comparable to Link and Zelda, who've been coupled in 13 games over the span of about 20 years.

[Chrono'99]

It never even came to my mind that this soldier was wielding the Masamune. He most probably wasn't. He and the mysterious long-haired man were fighting in Guardia castle while the Masamune was found in Truce in open air. When the soldier was killed, his sword just fell on the ground. In Truce, the Masamune was seen bloodstained and vertically planted in the ground. The 2 swords are most probably 2 different swords.

[ChronoGuardian]

I stand corrected on the importance of the Hero Medal, and the parallel (or lack thereof) between Crono and Marle, and Link and Zelda...

I guess when it comes to them though, I (& i'm sure everyone else in this community) really luv those two characters, and if they are dead as Masato intended them to be, they definitely deserved better than to die "off camera" and mentioned only in passing. It doesn't feel justified, especially when one takes into account just how powerful Crono and Marle turn out to be...

Seein that disturbing cutscene made me want to take control of Crono, Marle, Lucca and the others again to do something about it. Which is something i hope we'll all have a chance to do, if a new Chrono game is ever made.

[AuraTwilight]

They could always avert it with time travel.

Though if it helps you any, there's always their childlike spiritual forms that make an appearance in the Dead Sea.

[Magus_Brokenhart]

Well, a theory have stated that the long-haired aggressor was Dalton, since he seemed to be sucked by a gate. He'd have the reason to want Guardia to fall, and he'd know what the Masamune was capable of. Not to mention it would fulfill the requisite on how Porre received helped outside the stream of time or whatever. Weakness to this is that apparently Fate/Lynx is what led to the rise of Porre's technology. Anyways, the Masamune was one of Guardia's sacred treasures since it was stolen. It became evil after it was used to massacre people, then somehow it ended in Dragon falls, then at The Isle of the Damned, then Lynx set it on the Dead Sea entrance to guard it.

[Chrono'99]

Well, a theory have stated that the long-haired aggressor was Dalton, since he seemed to be sucked by a gate.

The portals Dalton created were spatial portals, not temporal ones. This is made explicite the first time you meet him, in the Zeal Palace throneroom. There, he was shown to create something that looks like a Gate (it's the same sprite), but it was actually just a portal leading to the Ocean Palace in a beam of light (like a Sky Gate/Land Bridge). Dalton was never capable of creating a time Gate.

he'd know what the Masamune was capable of.

How would he? He never even saw it! He wasn't present in the Mammon Machine room when the Red Knife was unveiled.

Weakness to this is that apparently Fate/Lynx is what led to the rise of Porre's technology.

As said in the other topic, Lynx didn't even exist in 1,005 A.D. He was "born" in 1,010 A.D. when Wazuki went nuts and drowned his son at Opassa Beach.

[Magus_Brokenhart]

You're right, but I would at least expect Dalton to understand the material to the Masamune. He'd also be one with a motive. Though people do things without a motive all the time. <_<

[Zaperking]

You're right, but I would at least expect Dalton to understand the material to the Masamune. He'd also be one with a motive. Though people do things without a motive all the time. <_<

How would he have a motive? He doesn't know where Crono and co come from, let alone that Marle is a princess of a kingdom called Guardia.

[Kyronea]

How would he have a motive? He doesn't know where Crono and co come from, let alone that Marle is a princess of a kingdom called Guardia.

Exactly. Furthermore, Dalton is not exactly the kind of person one would be willing to trust. Even if somehow he was transported to the Present, he would have no way of convincing Porre to do anything, unlike what Magus did. Magus had the advantage of previously living through the events and familiarity with the location; Dalton does not. More likely he would be imprisoned or at least not be able to do a damned thing about Guardia if he somehow ended up in 1000 A.D. What is far more likely is that he died after being sucked through that Gate to whereever he had once stored the Golems.

[Magus_Brokenhart]

Don't underestimate Dalton. He was in queen Zeal's innermost circle before the Prophet replaced him. >_>'

[Chrono'99]

Random try but, could the wielder have been... Garai?

We know for a fact that the Acacia Dragoons fought in the war in 1,005 A.D., and Garai is long-haired. He could have found and used the Masamune a bit and lost it by the end of the battle?

[Kyronea]

Random try but, could the wielder have been... Garai?

We know for a fact that the Acacia Dragoons fought in the war in 1,005 A.D., and Garai is long-haired. He could have found and used the Masamune a bit and lost it by the end of the battle?

We also know he was possessed by the sword after he was killed by Radius...might it have been his initial bloodthirst during the Fall of Guardia that spurred the sword into action? Could it have been his own feelings towards the sword that---

No, no, no. This makes no sense. The sword was FOUND by Radius and Garai, suggesting that neither had laid eyes on it before. Further, I'm not seeing why the sword would go missing until found by Radius and Garai if Garai--or any other Porrean soldier--found it and took it from Guardia. Given what we see of Truce Village, I suspect that whle the sword was taken from within Guardia by our mysterious time traveler that influenced events, who proceeded to destroy Truce with the sword, instilling the bloodlust that later corrupted Radius, Garai, Karsh, and Dario....but who would do this? We know Magus would have no reason to do this, and Dalton, while arrogant and cruel, is not that sadistic, so that tosses them both out of the picture.

[Chrono'99]

The sword was FOUND by Radius and Garai, suggesting that neither had laid eyes on it before.

Huh? On the contrary, they obviously have laid eyes on it before, even if it were just in a book or painting, or else Radius wouldn't be "OMG look it's the Masamune!!".

Further, I'm not seeing why the sword would go missing until found by Radius and Garai if Garai--or any other Porrean soldier--found it and took it from Guardia.

The sword "disappeared" after 1,005 A.D. according to the PSX CT ending. The sword was recovered later by Radius and Garai (in 1,007 A.D. according to the Ultimania Guide). What I'm proposing is that perhaps Garai has already found the Masamune a first time in 1,005 A.D., but that it disappeared in the confusion of the battle (or whatever) and that he and Radius retrieved it back in 1,007 A.D.

[Kyronea]

Huh? On the contrary, they obviously have laid eyes on it before, even if it were just in a book or painting, or else Radius wouldn't be "OMG look it's the Masamune!!".

I meant that they had never seen it in person. My mistake.

The sword "disappeared" after 1,005 A.D. according to the PSX CT ending. The sword was recovered later by Radius and Garai (in 1,007 A.D. according to the Ultimania Guide). What I'm proposing is that perhaps Garai has already found the Masamune a first time in 1,005 A.D., but that it disappeared in the confusion of the battle (or whatever) and that he and Radius retrieved it back in 1,007 A.D.

Ah, I see...that would resolve matters somewhat, and may explain how they were able to find it, if Garai knew, or at least partially knew, its location, but that still doesn't make much sense. How would the Masamune have gone missing? Who took it? How did it get to where it went? While I like the basic idea you're suggesting here it just doesn't hold too much weight when examined this carefully.

Furthermore, it is still implied the Masamune was used in the slaughter at Truce, and regardless of whether Garai initially took it from Guardia Castle or not, he would not have slain Truce Village so readily, and as such must have lost it before that occurred, unless the Masamune was already corrupted, but that also makes no sense because how else would it have become corrupted in the first place?

We really need an explanation from Kato along these lines...the lack of knowledge we have on the Fall of Guardia is beginning to drive me mad...