Who Taught Magic In Zeal?

[Mystik3eb]

As for the Mammon Machine, it doesn't actually say that the machine went to the DBT it could have been gated for all we know. And that quote doesn't make it seem as if the machine became a part of it. If it did, the Flame obviousally wasn't in it. Unless the flame in the future is the flame from the Lavos time line or something, and was unaffected.

...did you actually read the quote? It's very clear that it got sucked into the same place Schala did. It's been discussed elsewhere in the Compendium that Queen Zeal either draws the MM out of the DBT to fight Crono and party, or send Crono and party there to fight it, thereby drawing them back out when they win. I'm leaning toward the first.

And yeah...the FF probably has nothing to do with the MM...the MM was constructed by the Gurus using Dreamstone. I don't consider anything in RD to matter outside of RD itself.

...we sure use alot of acronyms to describe Chrono stuff, don't we?

[nightmare975]

...did you actually read the quote? It's very clear that it got sucked into the same place Schala did. It's been discussed elsewhere in the Compendium that Queen Zeal either draws the MM out of the DBT to fight Crono and party, or send Crono and party there to fight it, thereby drawing them back out when they win. I'm leaning toward the first.

I kind of feel that Zeal threw the party into another PD. That way, they could fight for all eternity. There would be just one MM in the DBT, right?

[Mystik3eb]

I kind of feel that Zeal threw the party into another PD. That way, they could fight for all eternity. There would be just one MM in the DBT, right?

But then how would they leave again? Not like Zeal would want them to come out of the DBT, unless she was crazy enough to want to kill them instead of let them suffer forever in the DBT *shrug*

[nightmare975]

I kind of feel that Zeal threw the party into another PD. That way, they could fight for all eternity. There would be just one MM in the DBT, right?

But then how would they leave again? Not like Zeal would want them to come out of the DBT, unless she was crazy enough to want to kill them instead of let them suffer forever in the DBT *shrug*

That's why I think the MM was in a PD.

My last post doesn't make much sense

[Kazuki]

The only time the Mammon Machine is in the PD I believe is when you actually fight it. It's obviously not when you see it in Zeal, and I don't think it is during the Ocean palace events.

[Chrono'99]

In the Black Omen, the MM seems to be both in ruins in a normal room and intact (and colored grey, all of a sudden) in a pocket dimension though. It's strange.

[Zaperking]

And yeah...the FF probably has nothing to do with the MM...the MM was constructed by the Gurus using Dreamstone. I don't consider anything in RD to matter outside of RD itself.

If you deny what RD's light has to offer on some issues, then you shouldn't even be here. RD is just as valuable and creditable information as CT and CC.
You obviousally haven't been paying attention to the links, have you? How Schala "communes" with the machine. How in RD, the Flame gave her a chance (obviousally this was a time when Crono and co didn't interfer). And even Belthasar talks about it, but it's a red shard. In RD, the FF is a shard too. I think it only looks like a rock in RD because of the graphics at the time.

As the palace collapsed around
   her, Princess Schala was sucked
   into a dimensional vortex along
   with the Lavos Mammon Machine.
   Schala and Lavos became unified
   into one even more powerful
   entity that would evolve into
   the Devourer of Time.

It says nothing about the MM actually going to the DBT. When was sucked into the vortex, she actually entered a parallel timestream and on the way met Lavos, heard Serge etc. As for the Machine, it could have gone somewhere else, like lets say.. to the bottom of the ocean.
BTW, I think that that quote could possibly be about Schala in the original, Lavos timeline.
It fixes a few things. Like how the machine was still there with Zeal, even thought Schala was missing. I mean, we don't know what happened to Schala in the original time line, obviousally. So anything's open. I mean, Lucca only says that it happened 13,000 years ago, but she doesn't refer to what timeline, or to even Crono and co.'s interferance in Zeal. It could be possible that 1) Crono's Schala is the reincarnated Schala that we have in RD. 2) The Schala who is in the DBT is the Lavos timelines. 3) The Original Schala from Lavos' time line is the Kid who in 1020AD went back in time to do stuff (If Kid had to do it in 1020 after the events of CC, that cause a loop, so both Kids could be different) or 4) You tell me.

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[AuraTwilight]

The Mammom Machine being intact in the Pocket Dimension does interest me, but remember that Zeal said something along the lines of "Fighting within the Mammon Machine." Maybe they were fighting the essence of the Mammon Machine with their minds, like, they astrally projected into it because of Zeal's spell. I dunno.

If you deny what RD's light has to offer on some issues, then you shouldn't even be here. RD is just as valuable and creditable information as CT and CC.

...right. If there was any doubt in my mind. >_>

BTW, I think that that quote could possibly be about Schala in the original, Lavos timeline.
It fixes a few things. Like how the machine was still there with Zeal, even thought Schala was missing. I mean, we don't know what happened to Schala in the original time line, obviousally. So anything's open. I mean, Lucca only says that it happened 13,000 years ago, but she doesn't refer to what timeline, or to even Crono and co.'s interferance in Zeal. It could be possible that 1) Crono's Schala is the reincarnated Schala that we have in RD. 2) The Schala who is in the DBT is the Lavos timelines. 3) The Original Schala from Lavos' time line is the Kid who in 1020AD went back in time to do stuff (If Kid had to do it in 1020 after the events of CC, that cause a loop, so both Kids could be different) or 4) You tell me.

Hibbaflubbawhat?

[Zaperking]

I dunno, was on a train of through.
O yeah, 4) should be dead Schala or something.

[AuraTwilight]

Still not making any sense.

[nightmare975]

I have a question, Spekkio states that magic once thrived in the past. how would he know that?

Nevermind, Gasper told him.

[Burning Zeppelin]

Or...He couldve lived a long time ago.
Why not just delete the post?

[Chrono'99]

I have a question, Spekkio states that magic once thrived in the past. how would he know that?

Nevermind, Gasper told him.

Everybody standing in the End of Time can observe the time line.

[Zaperking]

I have a question, Spekkio states that magic once thrived in the past. how would he know that?

Nevermind, Gasper told him.

Everybody standing in the End of Time can observe the time line.

I never remember that being stated. We couldn't see into the timeline from the End of Time. Gaspar may just know and tell Spekkio (he is the Guru of Time). I mean, Gaspar didn't even know that Crono died. Only when the group told him did he realise.

[GrayLensman]

Everybody standing in the End of Time can observe the time line.

I never remember that being stated. We couldn't see into the timeline from the End of Time. Gaspar may just know and tell Spekkio (he is the Guru of Time). I mean, Gaspar didn't even know that Crono died. Only when the group told him did he realise.

I think Gaspar is just playing it cool.  Chrono Trigger implies he can see into the past.

However, you will not be alone. I
   have had vague glimpses of events,
   people and places that will empower
   you...

I am sorry that I must simply
   witness the coming spectacle from
   my vantage point here...