Author Topic: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword'' to "Katana"  (Read 5734 times)

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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword'' to "Katana"
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2007, 09:25:11 am »
falchions differ from katanas abit though, while they are both curved katanas tend to be thinner not as wide and basically focus on giving a insanly sharp edge. falchions are wider, shorter and are more durable.

hmm i wasn't aware spears had dual points must differ depending on the the geographical are and chronological period.
swords in later periods were mainly slashing/stabbing i didnt mean to specifically say they were only slashing weapons just in comparison to the lances thing.

most of cronos swords (with probaby some exceptions) are probably katanas or a similer style of blade, if you watch his critical strike attacks the style which he slices his sword greatly resembles that used with some katanas (and variations).

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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword'' to "Katana"
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2007, 11:18:29 am »
Lances have blades too. Personally I'd consider them more dual-ended heavy blades ¬.¬ Although, we could just call them swallows :P
uhh no lances dont have blades. they're stabbing tools made for charging you might be thinking of spears/pikes wich have small ass blades.

Sorry, I was thinking of Fire Emblem lances where Spears and Lances are the same.

How about Dual-Ended spear? Or just Swallow?

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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword'' to "Katana"
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2007, 05:09:05 pm »
Lances have blades too. Personally I'd consider them more dual-ended heavy blades ¬.¬ Although, we could just call them swallows :P
uhh no lances dont have blades. they're stabbing tools made for charging you might be thinking of spears/pikes wich have small ass blades.

Sorry, I was thinking of Fire Emblem lances where Spears and Lances are the same.

How about Dual-Ended spear? Or just Swallow?
swallows would be best since the game calls them that.
and dual ended spears wouldnt work anyway, spears are basically staffs with small blades, too small compared to the size of the blade in-game.

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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword'' to "Katana"
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2007, 09:00:38 am »
swallows would be best since the game calls them that.
and dual ended spears wouldnt work anyway, spears are basically staffs with small blades, too small compared to the size of the blade in-game.

Authors tend to class their weapons in an unusual way... Furthermore, There are lots games & anime that classifies Serge's swallow as a poleaxe weapon.  E.G.  Spellbreaker's Glaive(WC3), Galtar's Golden Lance(Galtar & the Golden Lance), Gelgoog's Beam Naginata (Mobile Suit Gundam), Arika Yumemiya's double bladed crystal lance(Mai-Otome).

Think outside the box....

Modified: Polearm to Poleaxe... I was sleepy last night I couldn't think straight.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2007, 06:03:00 am by Magus068 »

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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword'' to "Katana"
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2007, 07:54:14 am »
swallows would be best since the game calls them that.
and dual ended spears wouldnt work anyway, spears are basically staffs with small blades, too small compared to the size of the blade in-game.

Authors tend to class their weapons in an unusual way... Furthermore, There are lots games & anime that classifies Serge's swallow as a poleaxe weapon.  E.G.  Spellbreaker's Glaive(WC3), Galtar's Golden Lance(Galtar & the Golden Lance), Gelgoog's Beam Naginata (Mobile Suit Gundam), Arika Yumemiya's double bladed crystal lance(Mai-Otome).

Think outside the box....

Modified: Polearm to Poleaxe... I was sleepy last night I couldn't think straight.


cant be a pole-axe they consist of both a seperate or joined side blade and a spike, serges are a single piece blade with no seperate axe/point parts to the blade. glave would probably work best if we need to go with something other than swallow, pole-axe just isnt technically correct cause of the weapon design, glave is the closest fit.

as for the mentioned weapons unfortunatly i havent seen those series yet so i have no idea what they look like, ive only seen gundam wing and about half of mai-hime and that was ages ago...

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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword'' to "Katana"
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2007, 08:14:54 am »
No, Pokeaxes do not have spikes. But this could just be FE9's shoddy graphics engine getting to me... o.o

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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword'' to "Katana"
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2007, 10:04:21 am »
No, Pokeaxes do not have spikes. But this could just be FE9's shoddy graphics engine getting to me... o.o

they do, simply put they're a pike with a axe blade attached to the end. they use the spike for poking shit and the axe blade for the other obvious.
the style of the axehead/spike can differ so it can be hard to tell sometimes but they do have one.
they do get left out occasionally though, i think its whats causes the difference between it being a halberd and bardiche
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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword'' to "Katana"
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2007, 10:23:07 am »
Ah o.o I see... So, are you a weapons expert or something? o.o

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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword'' to "Katana"
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2007, 05:57:22 am »
Ah o.o I see... So, are you a weapons expert or something? o.o

nope just one of the things i picked up out of curosity

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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword'' to "Katana"
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2007, 07:43:30 pm »
If we can get back to the original suggestion, I think it actually is a pretty good idea to set up some disambiguation. For instance, for "Swallow," we can make three pages: "Swallow," "Swallow (Chrono Trigger)," and "Swallow (Chrono Cross)." The first will be a disambiguation page that links to the other two, the second will cover the specific sword in CT, and the third will cover the weapon class in CC.

As for what to call the swords Crono uses, it's pretty clear that they actually are katanas (almost all of them, at the least). So, I think it would make sense to use "Katana" for Crono's swords and "Broadsword" for Frog's swords. The "Sword" page will cover the weapon class in Cross, and we'll leave a note at the top linking to the other two pages.

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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword'' to "Katana"
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2007, 08:03:53 pm »
Here's one other idea, which I've already started to implement as it's not so big a change: When linking to, for instance, Swords in Chrono Cross, use the code [[Sword#Chrono Cross|Sword]]. This will appear as just "Sword," but will link to the section of the swords article on Chrono Cross swords. This way we don't have to go around creating new articles, but the users will be directed straight to the proper section.

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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword'' to "Katana"
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2007, 07:50:39 pm »
Calling something a double bladed sword always makes me think of those stupid things Shatterstar from X-Force used...



Also, Crono's Star Sword...



Clearly doesn't fit the bill as a katana. The Swallow...



also doesn't seem to fit the bill, like previously stated...
« Last Edit: May 15, 2007, 09:51:32 pm by V_Translanka »

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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword''
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2007, 04:51:05 pm »
 
Also, since I'm here, Crono's "Swallow" also links ta all of Serge's Swallows as well as th' stats fer Crono's Swallow.  How about doin' like Wikipedia an' specifying?  Like...instead of "Swallow," use "Swallow (Chrono Trigger)"?  I dunno...  Just a thought!
Keep up th' good work, folks!

Serge's swallow isn't actually a sword but a twin lance... The only thing that connects Crono's Swallow & Serge's Swallow is its name.

Serge's weapon is a double voulge. Not really all a lance, but a two ended reversed halberd. (Double Voulge)

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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword''
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2007, 02:00:27 am »
 
Also, since I'm here, Crono's "Swallow" also links ta all of Serge's Swallows as well as th' stats fer Crono's Swallow.  How about doin' like Wikipedia an' specifying?  Like...instead of "Swallow," use "Swallow (Chrono Trigger)"?  I dunno...  Just a thought!
Keep up th' good work, folks!

Serge's swallow isn't actually a sword but a twin lance... The only thing that connects Crono's Swallow & Serge's Swallow is its name.

Serge's weapon is a double voulge. Not really all a lance, but a two ended reversed halberd. (Double Voulge)

a short version of one though, and with a much longer blade that attaches like a glaive / naganeta (sp?) as oppossed to the side of the stick. but yeah thats roughly the closest general weapon class it can be called...

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Re: One Simple Category Suggestion: ''Sword'' to "Katana"
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2007, 09:52:53 pm »
Naw, most of Serge's weapons are just sharpened oars...:lol: