Kyronea, you're doing what Chrono'99 and Sentenal have done before. It's futile.
I know, Zeality, but I can't give it up...my pride, my stubborness, and the truth are on the line, and I will not just abandon this, not when it might make others who aren't reading so closely think I've given up and accepted defeat. It would shame the analysis section and this website.
But thank you, though.
Anyway, i'm going to stop arguing here. It's quite boring when it's just you and me. Need more input at any rate.
Oh, but I am not. Not by a long shot.
It's trying to change its past, it doesn't mean its dying. Planets don't just die.
It's trying to change its past because it is dying. Planets can die if they are spiritual, biological entities like this one. You're thinking our own reality, not the Chronoverse. Keep. Up.
The simple fact that the planet has an atmosphere and life means that it's continue to live
And as I've repeatedly stated, both only mean that it is barely hanging on as of 2300 A.D, and when it dies, both disappear.
Do you think another meteor the size of Texas will end life on Earth? The simple answer is no
Irrelevent. We are discussing the Chronoverse Planet, not Earth.
, and after time, the planet will recover and life will emerge. Same as there.
Nope.
[ And if the planet was dying, it'd still already be dead then. If Lavos transcends all time, then the planet would be dead from any time period that he landed.
Your premise relies on the one incorrect statement that Lavos transcends time. He does not transcend time. He lives outside of it in a parallel timeline in his Pocket Dimension. He can access it from any time, but since he is not stupid, he would want to keep the Planet alive as long as possible to ensure the maximum in both genetic potential and food.
And not just that, but even in 1999AD, there were forests everywhere.
Irrelevant. That map is based on the 600 A.D. map with the 1000 A.D. tileset and cannot be taken as a true map of the world as of 1999 A.D.
It's just Lavos' attack that scared the planet.
Not scarred, but dealt the true blow that would mean death for the Planet. Prior to that the Planet was holding on, fighting him off or otherwise doing something to keep living well. Obviously this is what happens because the Planet does not die after Lavos is killed. Therefore the Day of Lavos event is the turning point that essentially deals the deathblow. Whatever hope the Planet has for survival after that is eliminated by the Lavos Spawn feeding on its remaining energy.
Irrelevant.
Not irrelevant: understanding of how things work. I'm so sorry you refuse to accept the information.
You keep thinking that the CT world is like our world, so quite frankly, I can't argue with you.
I'm saying that certain aspects that have not been shown to work otherwise work like our own world. We know that world has DNA and genetics are the basis of life. We also know the extent of magical power. What we don't know is how the atmosphere works, how geology works, ect ect ect. As such, what else can we assume? After all, as many have pointed out, the Chronoverse Planet is based on Earth, and apart from the differences shown, such as the Planet itself being alive, spirituality, magic, and so on, we have to assume that things work the way they would work on our own planet, and if that disagrees with what you're trying to argue then so be it: that doesn't matter. Facts are facts, Zaper.
And aslong as you keep thinking that, i'm still right.
No, you are not, as I said above.
The planet recovered from Lavos' crash that killed off the reptites and caused an ice age for millions of years, and as did our planet.
The crash was Lavos burrowing into the Planet's core and forming his Pocket Dimension you idiot. Come on, Zaper, you can't possibly be this stupid. Lavos wanted the Planet alive! He was anywhere from 6 to 65,000,000 years younger then! He was not an entity that could have slain the Planet then! At the time it was, at most, like a meteor falling to the Planet...a harsh wound, but not a fatal one by any means.
And as for the ice age, from what I recall that didn't last millions of years, but then the statistics are confusing when it comes to the Chronoverse Planet...going from 65,000,000 B.C. to 12,000 B.C. suggests--vaguely--that an Ice Age existed all that time, but that's ridiculous from a scientific standpoint. All we know is that an Ice Age was in occurance when we arrived, something that for all we know might have been caused by Zeal Kingdom blocking large parts of the sky for hundreds of years.
The simple fact that the humans are living is like all that matters. And they're surviving, and they can live in a ruined future.
I never said that the planet could recover when the Lavos spawn were gone. I actually forgot to write my extra line in there, I though I had wrote it.
Translation: I messed up and saved face.
But either way, to your argument, if Lavos Spawn are drying the planet of energy and the planet is dying, then what are they feeding on?
Lavos wouldn't leave them on an empty, lifeless shell -.-
...I've stated it so many times that I cannot believe you're actually asking this question...okay, let's say it again:
December 31st, 1999 A.D.: Lavos rises up, goes KABOOM and the world is destroyed, dealing a potentially fatal blow to the Planet. This is something the Planet might recover from--and I say might and emphasize it--, but it would need time and to be left completely alone. Unfortunately for the Planet, what energy it has left after the Day of Lavos event is being sucked away by the Spawn.
So no, Lavos did not leave an empty shell, he left a broken and battered one that had enough food for his spawn to reach maturity and head out into space, and it's that remaining feeding process that finally kills the Planet. And before you cry out that I just admitted my argument was wrong with the possibility of recovery, please note that no Lavoid Attack would be without a followup of spawn, because that's the whole point of the attack, to ensure a safe spawning ground. And as such, it's a continuing process...while the initial attack might have been survivable, the feeding by the spawn ensures death.
I think a while ago we confirmed that it was the seed. Since the seed was never used any other time, and it looks just like the one in Zeal, and the very fact that it's growing made us think that it was so.
Fair enough.
Of course it can maintain people for 300 years. All you need to be in there is for like 30 seconds, and you've had a full days worth of sleep, regeneration, etc. You're just hungry. And people have lived that way for 300 years.
Oh of course it could maintain people for 300 years, nevermind the fact that the Enertron is not some kind of magical perpetual motion machine and it needs energy from somewhere. If it had tried to maintains thousands or even hundreds over that time, it would have failed. No piece of hardware could work for that long under such constant use.
Furthermore, if there were many deaths, it'd be on the Day of Lavos, after that the people would respawn after time.
I would say about 99% of the population of humanity would be wiped out, and 100% of the Mystic population. What little is left might respawn for a short time, but we're already talking the potential for inbreeding, and that can cause serious genetic defects. Just ask any dog or horse breeder, or a doctor, for why.
Also, it seems that the air would have gotten clearer from the original attack.
You don't know that. We have no idea how much dust was thrown up in the actual event...all we have is what remains after the event. I do agree at least some would dissapate, though, as it is logical.
All that debris would have totally made the planet black, but it's not that way in 2300AD.
I don't know if it would have made the whole Planet black...but you're probably closer to correct than not with this statement.
Either way, those domes are huge, and like bunkers.
Not that huge, but yes, they are like bunkers, or else they wouldn't have survived at all...it's a miracle that some did.
People would be protected.
Only those in the domes at the time. You forget: the Day of Lavos event occurred over a couple minutes at most....even if there was teleportation technology--which there is no evidence of--almost everyone would be left stranded out in the open, which is part of why I cut my estimate down to about a hundred or so...maybe 200 after the initial attack, but no more than a hundred by 2300 A.D.
Ad as to the ventilation, it's working obviously because the whole world still has electricity :/
...yes...the ventilation MUST be working because some pieces of equipment have electricity! Nevermind the fact that the dust is never expunged, or the possibility that most of that equipment is running on back-up energy sources, or that the only domes shown to have any electricity are Arris and Genocidome, and Genocidome is explainable by the maintaince of robots--same with the factory. As for Arris? It's a research outpost of some kind, as we can determine from the layout of the computers and such. Servers and research computers in our own time have back-up power supplies, so thusly so would this one. Since the computer was most likely not running for 300 years straight but simply activated by Lucca, the power supply would be intact.
By the way, did you forget that in that same dome, refrigeration had failed at some point? Your magical electricity garnering obviously failed there...and don't forget Proto Dome too!
As for the Enertron in all of the domes, it must have its own power source, because otherwise it couldn't keep working. We don't see a single power generator other than the one in the Factory, and obviously that one wasn't broadcasting power anywhere or else Proto Dome would have power from the beginning. Furthermore, what would they be generating power from? The only source I could see potentially still working is tidal energy--and any tidal station might be burnt away from acidified oceans--or some form of hydro station, possibly an underground river source that remained untainted, which would explain where the Sewer Access is getting its water from and where the humans are obtaining their water supply, since even with something that could give them energy, they still need water.
You fail at trying to insult my intelligence...
I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence. Believe me, if I was I could do far worse than crow victory.
It's still not stated explicitly that the planet is dying.
Once again, for the idiot who can't understand simple logic:
They say the Entity is dying. The Entity is the Planet. Therefore the Planet is dying.
And because Mother Brain is in the future of the ruined world, she's the only one who can assess the damage and see if the planet will recover. GG.
Ah, yes, because clearly an A.I. that was running a robotic production factory would have access to the necessary technology to research that possibility, and would still be interested in doing so when it is corrupted and genocidal! Yes, good going, Zaper.
